Wladimir vs Vitali - Who Wins the Battle of Brothers?

Vitali would have put him under pressure and fought aggressively.

Wlad barely survived a crude Sam Peter and was dropped 13 times in his career.

He was not equipped either physically or mentally to have beaten Vitali.

 

On paper, Wlad was better than any of his opponents.

However, it’s how you match up stylistically which determines the outcome of a fight.

Wlad was too vulnerable to have been favoured over his big brother and mentor.

 

He was a better clincher so wouldn’t need the uppercut?

Vitali wouldn’t risk taking Vitali’s power?

What do you think Wlad would have risked?

This fight would have seen Wlad fight in ultra cautious mode, tentatively flicking out the jab but not fully committing to it.

He’d have fought the most cautious fight in history.

As soon as Vitali had put the pedal down, Wlad would have succumbed to the pressure.

 

Wlad will hug him to death.

 

God to do better my man @Rumsfeld you called this one wrong. Vitali would win to much man for Wladimir who also does not fight well against bigger men.

 

Skills and experience are key factors in a fight, along with styles, aggression, durability and confidence. Athleticism, power, being less injury prone and having the better team are also important factors. You are either biased or dumb if you think only a few of those factors matter.

If you would take a 2011 Vitali over a 2011 Wlad on the grounds that "Wlad wouldn't believe he could win" (why?) you are delusional.

 

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Vitali sleeps him. He can take everything Wlad has to offer, but the reverse won't be true. Vitali KO 8

 

I’m not in any way delusional. I watched both of their careers unfold. On paper, Wlad was superior to everyone who he fought. But in reality, it didn’t turn out that way. Wlad was very vulnerable. He was stopped 3 times in his 20’s by B and C level guys.

He barely survived a crude Sam Peter.

He hated pressure and was psychologically scarred by the knockouts.

It’s why he put on a disgusting performance against Povetkin, and why he was overly cautious against Haye and Fury.

Fury also did a complete psyche job on him.

Statistically, Wlad was better than Vitali. His career looks better on Boxrec. But on a H2H basis, Vitali was far more formidable.

He had much more mental strength and was physically stronger. He was also more confident.

How many times was Vitali knocked out or stopped? None. Only on 2 TKOs. One by injury in a fight that he was winning, and one by a doctor on cuts, again, in a fight which he was winning.

How many times was Vitali dropped?

Wladimir was dropped 12-13 times. And look at who by.

You would have to be delusional to have favoured Wlad over his mentally and physically stronger older brother, who was also his mentor.

You don’t need to be a psychologist or possess psychic powers in order to know that Wlad wouldn’t have had the belief that he could have beaten Vitali. He knows that he’s not as formidable. He’s Vitali’s biggest fan. Vitali is his hero who he’s looked up to his whole life. He’s seen Vitali go in and clear up his mess against a guy like Corrie Sanders. There’s nothing delusional in what I’ve said.

You can make a case for Wlad based upon BoxRec stats, but the reality is, if you analysed everything that happened in their careers, you’d simply have to have favoured Vitali. Comparing records just isn’t enough here. Also, the only reason why Wlad has a better resume is because Vitali had to keep retiring, which saw him fight for less years than Wlad.

In a H2H fight, Wlad would have succumbed to Vitali’s pressure and aggressiveness.

 

He’d have tried for sure.

 

Vitali on the merit of being his older brother

 

"He was stopped 3 times in his 20’s by B and C level guys."

This is true but fighters don't necessarily hit their primes in their 20's. Wlad's best wins and performances came in his mid-late 30's.

"But on a H2H basis, Vitali was far more formidable."

Depends on the opponent, it certainly wasn't the case with Chris Byrd. Wlad's extra speed, co-ordination and power enabled him to handle Byrd easily, despite Wlad being far further from his prime than Vitali. Even before Vitali's shoulder went, Byrd was landing plenty and slipping plenty.

"and was physically stronger"

Where is the hard evidence for this?

"You would have to be delusional to have favoured Wlad..."

I said in the first post, which you may not have read properly, that up until 2004 I'd have favoured Vitali. After 2008 I'd favour Wlad and the oddsmakers would have as well. You'd have to be delusional to favour the relatively glacial, badly injury prone 40 year old Vitali over prime Wlad. Ali was Holmes's mentor but it didn't prevent Holmes from putting a bad beating on him. Wlad would realise (if he didn't know before) after the first round that he had significant advantages over Vitali and his confidence would increase. Wlad wasn't as confident as Vitali but he never quit or stayed down. He didn't show the kind of mental weakness that you're trying to ascribe to him.

"the only reason why Wlad has a better resume is because Vitali had to keep retiring, which saw him fight for years less than Wlad."

These facts are not incidental: Vitali kept retiring due to injuries and he had poorer health than Wlad. Vitali having to retire while Wlad stayed active allowed Wlad to gain a significant experience advantage, so in an abstract/impossible prime for prime matchup Wlad would have been 2.5 years older and 23 fights more experienced than his older/younger brother.

 

THE rock em sock em robot brudders lol

 

Wladimir Klitschko SD.
Real challenge for Vitali who never faced a legitimate ATG in their prime.