Would you disqualify this fighter?

If I was award the fighter had used PEDs, in contravention of the rules, then I would disqualify them.

 

No, that is for administrators to resolve, not the officials.

 

I may be just ignorant on the subject, but I've never known PEDs to be fast-acting. I always thought they were of a nature that had to be absorbed into the system over a period of time. But again, my knowledge of such things are sparse. The only substance that I always knew of that was fast-acting on the revival of a fighter between rounds was smelling salts (ammonia capsules) and they've been banned. Of course if the referee saw this he would be in his right to DQ a fighter and/or report it to the ringside medico and commission.

 

Would PED's bring him around?

 

If people saw him ingesting an illegal PED during the fight, it's at least a NC, just like Tyson's drug test against Golota. The difficulty is that you have to test whatever is in the bottle, which takes time. You'd need proof.

 

If I don't see it then I don't know it happened.

 

Ah, we’re talking rd 4, Ali v Cooper, 1963 and the use of smelling salts, right?

 

I was thinking Pryor/Arguello.

 

Yeah but we have the KD, saved by the bell, jumping back off the stool barely after the rest period started, covert ped usage, Read: suggestion of smelling salts being administered to Ali, allegedly illegally so….

 

you cannot act on what you havent seen. I dont think you can act even if you think you did see something as that substance and/or person has to be tested, and thats up to others to do so

 

Just to be clear: the idea that Ali could have been disqualified because Dundee gave him a whiff of smelling salts is a fantasy. Other foreign fighters - Karl Mildenberger for one in his own meeting with Cooper - were spotted using smelling salts in British rings and they were just told to stop.

 

First and foremost, were smelling salts illegal? As far as I’ve read, they were in England but not the US. I can’t confirm that 100% though.

If they were illegal then I would imagine there was scope for a DQ.

If Mildenberger was simply told to stop that suggests irregular enforcement or the exercising of bestowed discretionary powers but still, in all possibility, a DQ still might’ve been ruled depending on the ref/official in control.

I’ve also read that it was “recommended” that smelling salts not be used - around 1950 in England which might mean not necessarily illegal - but then in the described Mildenberger case, they were apparently told to stop.

Finally, on that particular score, there is the possible intent that smelling salts were actually forbidden primarily to protect the fighter being administered same - to prevent an otherwise unviable fighter (concussed) being sent back into the fray, pepped up only temporarily by the smelling salts.

Did they help Ali? Well his corner saw fit to administer them - at least twice as it appears on film - and it did induce an immediate and more alert reaction from Ali and atop that, Dundee also tried to buy some extra time - unsuccessful as that was.

As to the ref not seeing same - if the officials were inclined to pursue a DQ - the films could be used as evidence after the fact if they felt the vision was sufficiently conclusive.

 

I was thinking the little bottle in Spinks - Ali I.