Raymond Charles Leonard vs. Floyd Joy Sinclair Mayweather

Because if an old, small ass, semi-shot, injured Pacquiao reduced Floyd to his lowest connected percentage on an opponent, a guy like SRL is going to reduce Floyd's offense even more.

Except Pacquiao is not an inside fighter and it's a small part of offensive application. Pac was injured. Duh. And he still landed the harder shots in the fight.

Floyd's bodyguard said that he was shocked by how small Pac was in person. Floyd himself said that Pac was shocked by how much bigger he was at their first face/off and said himself that he was a big welterweight. And we don't know that Mayweather was routinely outweighed by his opponents as he stopped giving out his fight night weights. Pac was a lightweight fighting at welterweight.

Mikey and Thurman said Pac was a lightweight. Most of his opponents say their size will carry them to victory.

I'm not sure why Pac's size bothers you so much. Oh wait, it's because it distresses you that Pac was able to achieve all that he did at 147.

EVERYONE says Pac was very small at 147. You gotta find a way to deal with it.

You're seriously going to pretend that you don't know what ring age is? And that Floyd's defensive style ensures greater longevity? And all vacations and retirements? And that Pac didn't suffer one of the most brutal KOs in the history of the sport late in his career? And that Pac hadn't been in a million wars? Floyd was far closer to his prime than Pac was.

Thurman hits harder than Floyd. Jeff Horn and all his 165 pounds probably does as well. Neither deterred Pac. And the most famous and respected sports surgeon in the world confirmed the severity of the injury as well as the operation. Pac also took a year off to... keep up appearances? But I'm sure you readily accept that Floyd was severely dehydrated to the point where he needed 750 ml of IV fluids from the comfort of his own home, right? Sorry, you flat out lose here. It's not only the sports surgeon, but sparring partners, and even Ellerbe hinted at it leading up to the fight.

Pac was injured. See above. With Floyd and his obsession with his 0, every fight was a win at all costs fight. Are you serious?

SRL by KO.



BTW, I will get to your post from the other thread. But I'm halfway through a bottle of wine and I'm trying to finish Dexter Season 2.

 

Ray has a power speed edge which would be the main factors in Ray winning a ud

 

Lol I’m watching a replay of Sixers - Magic (an English basketball fan - a rarity), I probably won’t reply until tomorrow.

Anyway, none of this is personal, I enjoy debate/disagreements that occasionally spill over into arguments. I’m not arrogant enough to categorically assume that you’re wrong, you do make some valid and good points.

 

Hey, I'm a die hard Pacquiao fan, but I look at all the information available. I back everything I say up.

And yes, an Englishman that's into the NBA is supremely weird.

 

SRL because he's just as fast of hand and feet if not faster, can box and is bigger. But in no way would I be shocked if Floyd won. He's too good and too different to any other fighter. With Floyd, you basically can't pick an opponent in someone's resume and draw parallels. Yes, there was Benitez, but Benitez' defense was of a different kind and he wasn't as good as Floyd.

I would be shocked if Floyd beat Hearns though. Hearns' size, jab, speed and power is too much and Floyd would have had hard time landing his pot shots.

Leonard beat Hearns because he beat him down. Floud will never do that. He will box and he won't land enough to win.

 

Well, I like to think that I do. I don’t think anybody here would purport to be posting shite hahaha. I’ve got no skin in this game, so to speak. The thing is, I’m never arguing that Pac was so far beneath Mayweather as to be inferior, and PFP there isn’t much in it, just like not much separates any of the top 30 or so truly elite fighters in history (maybe better informed boxing historians would take me task on this and extend that to top 50 or whatever).

I don’t disrespect Pacquiao as a fighter, the guy is a legend and a privilege to watch. We might differ in how much of a legend and how much of a privilege but the sentiments aren’t as far apart as you might think.

 

It'd be just as lopsided. Floyd simply isn't as highly regarded as Leonard. He retired and his resume is what it is, which is clearly inferior to Leonard's. Even if Floyd is more highly regarded in the future, what I suspect would happen is that more people will think the fight is more competitive but it won't sway their opinion enough to vote for Floyd.

 

I definitely detect a bias on your end and that's fine. I understand that there are boxing fans that put a much greater emphasis on the sweet science and I'll never say that Pac is as skilled in the ring. Pac's a diamond in the rough and it's that much more impressive that he's done what he's done without the formal applications of the sweet science. He found his own violent path and it's worked for him. Different path to greatness.

I respect you as a poster and am looking forward to dismantling your post from the other thread.

 

In his prime Mayweather was not the safety first fighter so many justifiably complain about. While being defensively responsible he was still aggressive and when he found a weakness in his opponents defense he pounced on it over and over again. That fact makes this a great fight.

I believe Ray wins because where Floyd was quick, Ray was fast. Ray's hand speed was a little better but his foot movement was levels above Floyd. I also think Ray has a strength advantage. As an example, cherry picked or not, there is no way Money would have been able to KO light heavyweight Donny Lalonde like Leonard did.

Before I typed this, I voted SRL by decision. I've now talked myself into Leonard by late round KO.

 

Leonard is a better boxer than Mayweather but not by much. Leonard is far greater though.

H2H, Leonard also has the edge. Leonard's combination punching and power would give Mayweather fits.

Perhaps Mayweather lasts the distance, but he still loses a clear cut decision.

 

Floyd against this caliber of opposition is a lot less proven than SRL. Hes more of an unknown quantity than SRL. We don't know how good Floyd would look against guys like Duran, Benitez, Hearns, a prime version of Mosley or DLH. and its PRECISELY because we haven't seen him fight somebody that level before. Whereas Leonard did consistently in his career.

 

It's a fight I've thought about quite a bit.

I'd take Leonard.

 

Two of my favourite fighters over the decades. Both were outstanding boxers, incredible skills.

I would pick Leonard over Floyd because I think he would be busier in a fight/higher output plus his considerable size and power advantage. Floyd Mayweather is a tiny welterweight really.

 

Leonard for me also. Bigger, good technical boxer but very powerful

 

He is the same size as Duran. Floyd is outsized in this era due to bigger weight cuts. Probably weighs around 152 lbs which is decent for WW back in the day.