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Jack Dempsey vs. Rocky Marciano

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Power: Dempsey

Speed: Dempsey

Skills: Marciano (close, but IMO Marciano was more skilled & an underrated technician)

Chin: Marciano

Defense: Tie

Offense: Tie (Dempsey started faster, but Marciano was more constant in his offense)

Stamina: Marciano

Winner: Marciano via TKO in 11 after getting dropped & absorbing punishment early.

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Clark12345 said: ↑

Who would win? Rocky Marciano or Jack Dempsey and what advantages do they have over each other such as, power, height, weight, style, etc.
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I believe Jack would be ,"on the right track".
Glass City Cobra has laid this out as well as anyone could ,so further analysis from me would be redundant.

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Breaking this down by attributes and trying to solve the outcome by that math just isn't an accurate course with Marciano in this fight. He almost always lost that math, while in the ring, he always won.

I see Marciano grinding Jack down after Jack takes the early rounds. He wins a decision with a KD or two, or less likely, but still possibly, stops him. Jack was at heart a 4-round frontrunner, an approach that almost always worked. But I don't see that working on the sturdy Marciano. And the return fire would be greater than anyone Jack ever faced, both in volume and power. Also, as elderly as some of Rocky's comp may have been, I am just more impressed by the likes of Moore, Charles and Walcott than I am by any of Dempsey's victims.

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Glass City Cobra said: ↑

Rocky's traits

pros:

-power, very scary numbing clubbing power

-stamina, had the energy to throw lots of shots from rounds 1-15 without slowing down

-good chin (could take a hell of a beating)

-had a burning desire to win

-could crowd opponents and make them fight at his pace,

-awkward dipping and crouching maneuvers to make himself even smaller and generate power from his thick legs

-best punches: gazelle punch (leaping left uppercut) and suzie Q (a short compact devastating right hand down the middle)

cons:

-skin issues (suffered many bad cuts, swelling, etc)

-very short with short arms, needed to be close to be effective (not a huge factor in this fight)

-could get very wild and sloppy (sometimes punching so hard he threw himself off balance)

-not particularly fast of foot or hand and sometimes struggled with speed

-could get reckless on defense

-not a particularly fast starter and vulnerable early (but came on strong the more the fight progressed)

Dempsey traits:

pros:

-power: very explosive fighter, lunged like a cat

-hand speed: fast hands which boosted his power

-great head movement

-good at closing the distance (not very relevant for this matchup)

-decent counter puncher

-savage finisher who did not let up on hurt opponents

-good chin, took bombs from some good big hitters

-good combinations (could throw 3, 4, even 5 punch combinations)

-good body puncher

-very fast starter who came out swinging

-Best punches: a powerful left hook delivered after a weave, a "roll" (sequence of powerful left right punches to the head).

cons:

-average stamina. His ferocity tended to fade late, although he does have a small number of late stoppages/knockdowns

-could be a little too aggressive and walk into a bomb

-sometimes neglected the right side of his body

-had swelling problems in many fights

-was a little easier to handle if you turned it into a boxing match rather than a slugfest

I think Dempsey should be favored. He brings more pros than cons. Rocky doesn't have the style or tools to really exploit Dempsey's weaknesses but the opposite is true for Dempsey. Power+speed usually beats just Power, especially if the faster guy in this case is a fast starter and the slower guy could sometimes be vulnerable early. Both can take a punch and Dempsey was the slightly better fighter in terms of technique, so unless this goes past the 6th or he pulls off a 1 punch KO, I don't see Rocky winning. He would likely take far too much damage in the first few rounds for his superior stamina and work rate to be a factor. Dempsey is going to be firing on all cylinders from the start and Rocky wasn't a very explosive starter.

I would imagine it to be an incredibly brutal high paced match at ring center, both men covered in lumps. Blood and sweat would splatter across the canvas from wild hooks and right hands flying every second. I think Dempsey scores a knockdown in the 1st on a Rocky who hasn't warmed up and is caught off guard by Dempsey's sizzling hand speed. Round 2, They trade blows and batter each other. Round 3, Rocky lands a suzie Q and drops Dempsey who beats the count and goes into a frenzy landing all kinds of shots to the body and head before landing his dempsey roll and drops Rocky. Rocky just barely beats the count and survives the round. Round 4, Dempsey comes out at full throttle. He throws every punch in the book on a Rocky who is bleeding profusely with a shut eye and drops him. A determined Rocky defies all logic and gets up, exchanging furiously and rocking Dempsey badly. It looks like Rocky might start to make a comeback with his awkward leaning, crouching, and ugly mauling, but due to the difference in speed and technique Dempsey is still landing plenty. Dempsey meanwhile is exhausted and has almost completely emptied his gas tank so he fights at a slower pace and starts to cover up. But just about every time he lands, Rocky's cut gets worse and worse and the ref stops it just before the end of round 4. Dempsey by TKO.
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Good post!

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Anybody’s fight really but I went with Rocky. I think he fought a better gallery of fighters and showed that he could maintain high resolve and work rate into the late rounds. While both men had an excellent two fisted attack I tend to be more partial to Rocky in that department. Again however Dempsey has equal chance of taking this battle of greats.

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Seamus said: ↑

Breaking this down by attributes and trying to solve the outcome by that math just isn't an accurate course with Marciano in this fight. He almost always lost that math, while in the ring, he always won.

I see Marciano grinding Jack down after Jack takes the early rounds. He wins a decision with a KD or two, or less likely, but still possibly, stops him. Jack was at heart a 4-round frontrunner, an approach that almost always worked. But I don't see that working on the sturdy Marciano. And the return fire would be greater than anyone Jack ever faced, both in volume and power. Also, as elderly as some of Rocky's comp may have been, I am just more impressed by the likes of Moore, Charles and Walcott than I am by any of Dempsey's victims.
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Yeah....Rocky did have the much superior resume.

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Look, for me it just comes down to the fact that Marciano beat the best of his day, and Dempsey did not.

If you have to analyze advantages, Dempsey himself said Marciano hit harder.

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Glass City Cobra said: ↑

Rocky's traits

pros:

-power, very scary numbing clubbing power

-stamina, had the energy to throw lots of shots from rounds 1-15 without slowing down

-good chin (could take a hell of a beating)

-had a burning desire to win

-could crowd opponents and make them fight at his pace,

-awkward dipping and crouching maneuvers to make himself even smaller and generate power from his thick legs

-best punches: gazelle punch (leaping left uppercut) and suzie Q (a short compact devastating right hand down the middle)

cons:

-skin issues (suffered many bad cuts, swelling, etc)

-very short with short arms, needed to be close to be effective (not a huge factor in this fight)

-could get very wild and sloppy (sometimes punching so hard he threw himself off balance)

-not particularly fast of foot or hand and sometimes struggled with speed

-could get reckless on defense

-not a particularly fast starter and vulnerable early (but came on strong the more the fight progressed)

Dempsey traits:

pros:

-power: very explosive fighter, lunged like a cat

-hand speed: fast hands which boosted his power

-great head movement

-good at closing the distance (not very relevant for this matchup)

-decent counter puncher

-savage finisher who did not let up on hurt opponents

-good chin, took bombs from some good big hitters

-good combinations (could throw 3, 4, even 5 punch combinations)

-good body puncher

-very fast starter who came out swinging

-Best punches: a powerful left hook delivered after a weave, a "roll" (sequence of powerful left right punches to the head).

cons:

-average stamina. His ferocity tended to fade late, although he does have a small number of late stoppages/knockdowns

-could be a little too aggressive and walk into a bomb

-sometimes neglected the right side of his body

-had swelling problems in many fights

-was a little easier to handle if you turned it into a boxing match rather than a slugfest

I think Dempsey should be favored. He brings more pros than cons. Rocky doesn't have the style or tools to really exploit Dempsey's weaknesses but the opposite is true for Dempsey. Power+speed usually beats just Power, especially if the faster guy in this case is a fast starter and the slower guy could sometimes be vulnerable early. Both can take a punch and Dempsey was the slightly better fighter in terms of technique, so unless this goes past the 6th or he pulls off a 1 punch KO, I don't see Rocky winning. He would likely take far too much damage in the first few rounds for his superior stamina and work rate to be a factor. Dempsey is going to be firing on all cylinders from the start and Rocky wasn't a very explosive starter.

I would imagine it to be an incredibly brutal high paced match at ring center, both men covered in lumps. Blood and sweat would splatter across the canvas from wild hooks and right hands flying every second. I think Dempsey scores a knockdown in the 1st on a Rocky who hasn't warmed up and is caught off guard by Dempsey's sizzling hand speed. Round 2, They trade blows and batter each other. Round 3, Rocky lands a suzie Q and drops Dempsey who beats the count and goes into a frenzy landing all kinds of shots to the body and head before landing his dempsey roll and drops Rocky. Rocky just barely beats the count and survives the round. Round 4, Dempsey comes out at full throttle. He throws every punch in the book on a Rocky who is bleeding profusely with a shut eye and drops him. A determined Rocky defies all logic and gets up, exchanging furiously and rocking Dempsey badly. It looks like Rocky might start to make a comeback with his awkward leaning, crouching, and ugly mauling, but due to the difference in speed and technique Dempsey is still landing plenty. Dempsey meanwhile is exhausted and has almost completely emptied his gas tank so he fights at a slower pace and starts to cover up. But just about every time he lands, Rocky's cut gets worse and worse and the ref stops it just before the end of round 4. Dempsey by TKO.
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Excellent.

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@Glass City Cobra has nailed this and much as I would love to rattle on about, perhaps, the greatest of all fantast Heavyweight fights, I could add nothing of value.
Speed kills so I pick Dempsey.

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All I can say is Dempsey early, Marciano late.

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Marciano took more punishment in a single fight than Dempsey took in his whole career. Not only that, he's modern fighter and although crude, has enough to take Dempsey out. Marciano was as brutal as Dempsey was and also had out of this world stamina, drive and conditioning.

Marciano TKO6

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Claw4075 said: ↑

Marciano took more punishment in a single fight than Dempsey took in his whole career.
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Why is this a good thing?

Not only that, he's modern fighter and although crude, has enough to take Dempsey out. Marciano was as brutal as Dempsey was and also had out of this world stamina, drive and conditioning.

Marciano TKO6
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Marciano fought 7 decades ago. Stop being silly.

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I think Marciano is better at beating.

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This. This is why you were banned. I am sure of it. This part of this comment.
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Secrets in plain sight, BE.

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Rocky wins

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