Is Vasyl Lomachenko p4p the GOAT?

A guy who couldn't beat a green Lopez rated ahead of PBF who beat and dominated boxers 100000000 light years beyond Lopez. The same Lopez who was schooled by Kambosos??? Man you need to find a new sport to watch because you don;t know **** about boxing period.

 

"A green Lopez" give it a ****ing rest. Which of these fighters Mayweather beat was 1000000 light years beyond Lopez?

 

"If people call Canelo green when floyd fought him, then......" Dollars to donuts his response

 

Do you like to just say anything to be heard? Looked lost against JLC? Loma looked lost in the Matrix against an average Lopez. When PBF fought JLC the 1st time he started strong and won like the first 5 rounds his shoulder started to bother him and he slowed down. WTF are you talking about?

PBF was 37 against Maidana he was faded and cut early in that first fight which bothered him after he adjusted to it he took over.

Outboxed by Oscar?? That's laughable. PBF outboxed Oscar he landed the cleaner harder shots and took away Oscar's jab he beat Oscar clearly on Oscar's terms at his weight.

Cotto won 4 rounds at best against PBF. Cotto didn't do anything and had one really good round.

Loma took too long to adjust to Lopez he took too long to adjust to Salido. PBF doesn't give up the first 6 rounds to anyone like Loma did. There's nothing in boxing Loma can do that will rank him ahead of PBF. Log off!

 

I'm calling him green just like PBF haters call Canelo green. Lopez was younger and less experienced when he fought Loma than Canelo was when he fought PBF. Also Loma was prime and younger than PBF when he fought Lopez. Lopez has proven to be not that good, Kambosos clowned him. Lopez wouldn't even be a top 10 win for PBF. Yet this troll had the nerve to say Loma was greater than PBF, which is nonsense and you know it.

 

People age differently. Lopez is never going to improve on his performances against Commey and Loma, so how can he green if he was at his absolute best? Canelo on the other hand has obviously improved massively, and there was no talk going into the fight about Lopez not being mature enough while there was plenty before and even during Canelo-Mayweather.

The Lopez Loma fought would absolutely be a top ten win for Mayweather.

 

There was no talk about Lopez being green because people like Loma and hate PBF, that's why there was no talk. When the truth is Lopez was very young 22 with only 13 fights when he fought Loma, how in the hell can he not be green? People like Loma so they didn't mention it, they hate PBF so they will try to discredit everything he does, like the idiot I was replying to. Let me ask you this if the roles were reversed and Loma fought and beat Canelo and PBF fought and lost to Lopez do you think people would call Canelo green who had over 40 fights was the unified champ and P4P top 10 ranked? Most people sure as hell would call Lopez green and laugh at PBF losing to him though. I also disagree with Lopez being a top 10 PBF win
In no order Hernandez Chico JLC Hatton Oscar Cotto Pac Canelo Mosley JMM are all better wins than Lopez. I could argue Zab and Guerrero were better as well.

 

So you say that out of spite. NOT because you actually believe it?? Do you understand how stupid that is? You aren't being real, you're being PETTY.

 

Why am I not surprised you think a Floyd hating conspiracy is why nobody called Lopez green

Lopez would be in Floyd's top ten. Hernandez is not a better win than Lopez, that's just obviously. Genaro was good, but he'd never beat a prime Lomachenko and he was past his best when he fought Mayweather anyway. I'd probably take Lopez over Corrales and Castillo, too but I can see why someone would disagree with that. The Lopez who beat Loma was better than a 40 year old Mosley. I'd also take the Lopez who beat Lomachenko over that young Canelo.

However, I do agree that DLH, Cotto, JMM, Pac and Hatton are better wins, although not by leaps and bounds.

 

No I'm pointing out how people like to pick and chose who they want to give passes to and who they want to hate on. Your reaction to it is one of the main reasons why It needed to be addressed. Instead of saying you know Pimp, Youre right Lopez was younger and less experienced than Canelo when he fought Loma than Canelo was when he fought PBF, you try to make it it out like I'm in the wrong and call me names and say I'm petty for simply stating facts because you don't like me or PBF.

 

What??? LMFAO! That Canelo beat Trout the same Trout who just beat Cotto. Who did Lopez beat before he fought Loma? Commey?? There's no way in hell was Lopez better than Canelo his resume doesn't back it nor does his skill level accomplishments or his ranking. Lopez showed you exactly who he was by getting clowned by Kambosos while Canelo has taken over the sport. There's no argument to be had about who was better between the two the clear choice was Canelo who was seen as the next king of the sport which proved to be true. Lopez on the other hand can be seen as a guy who got lucky bought into his own hype and got undressed in his very next fight.

Hernandez is more proven than Lopez he was the long time champ at 130.
JLC & Chico I would favor both to beat Lopez and both are greater as well, resumes much better.
Lopez was not better than Mosley who just upset the so called most feared man in boxing in Margo.

 

But you are then doing what you are accusing others of wrongfully doing. Don't you get that? Two wrongs don't make a ****in right Pimp. If you say things just to get back at others, you are simply being petty and disingenuous. And less than truthful w/ yourself. The way you let posters and other people determine how you think or root for is sad as hell

 

Shane was a shell by the time Canelo beat him. Floyd had already taken him to school, he drew with Journeyman Mora and then got demolished by Pacquiao, all of this happened right before Canelo. And Trout beat an older post-Margarito-Floyd-Pacquiao Cotto who was not in an ideal weight class anymore, and many still think Trout deserved to win against Canelo. While Trout is definitely a better name than the likes of Commey, Lopez I would argue still ranks over that Canelo because he did beat Loma, while Canelo right after got demolished by an older Floyd. Obviously Canelo ranks over Lopez now and Floyd ranks way higher than Loma, but there is an argument to be had with the Canelo that fought Floyd.

Also if Lopez was as bad you make him out to be, then he wouldn't have beaten Loma in the first place. I might have been criticizing Loma in my last posts but only in an ATG sense, it doesn't change that Loma is still one of the elite today(Granted he was injured, but still). Lopez is just inconsistent, I think the percieved level of his opponent makes him train accordingly, he underestimated Kambosos and would most likely beat him in a rematch, and I say that as a Greek ( Kambosos'descent).

 

He beat Loma because Loma was scared of Lopez power speed and athletic ability early and gave away the first 6 rounds. Once he felt him out and saw that he could take his punch wasn't all that and realized his was nothing more than an athletic slugger with speed he took over but lost the last round. Lopez won but it was a close fight. Kambosos who's very mentally strong and wasn't intimidated by Lopez which I said in the RBR thread right before the fight, didn't respect Lopez like Loma did. He beat him up and outboxed him badly. Nakatani exposed Lopez' flaws and arguably beat him while Kambosos completely undressed him. Lopez was green as ****, it showed when he tried to bum rush Kambosos like an amateur in their fight in the first round which was one of the dumbest things I've seen in years. An experienced boxer doesn't do dumb **** like that.

Canelo on the other hand never looked anywhere as limited and flawed as Lopez he was much more complete his defense countering punch placement especially to the body and ring IQ were all much better than Lopez back then. Lopez is the kind of guy who looks to try to overwhelm you if he can't he can be outboxed, he has no plan b as showed against Loma in stretches, Nakatani and Kambosos. Canelo was clearly better than Lopez he was more skilled fought and beat better comp was unified and P4P top 10 ranked. Trout without a doubt was a better win than anyone Lopez beat before Loma. Lastly, Canelo fought PBF who's better than Loma and a stylistic nightmare for Canelo as well. Lopez isn't a stylistic nightmare for Loma, Loma just fought scared and I would favor Loma in a rematch but I don't want Lopez to give him one because of the way Loma made excuses and acted after.