Is Vasyl Lomachenko p4p the GOAT?

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    First off, Ugas is a completely different fighter than Spence. He has that ugly Cuban spoiler style. And Pac overtrained because when they changed opponents 11 days out, they got him new sparring partners. Pac was still running up mountains days before the fight. Would have balanced out as long as he avoided Crawford.

    And Spence clearly pulled out the Pac fight because he wasn't ready. Preserve the 0 and remain marketable. Lose the big payout upfront, but maintain the decent purses over more fights.
    • Lit up in sparring by an unknown small southpaw
    • Zero media, comments, and very few interviews done leading up to the fight; suggests bad camp
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Ugas also fought Pac on short notice it works both ways so it's an excuse.

    Spence will never get that type of payday again. That was going to be a career high payday and the biggest fight of his career. Who is he going to fight that will give him that payday or that exposure that Pac would have given him? I rest my case.
     
    Pimp C, Jan 13, 2022
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Imagine how much Loma would've achieved in the pros if he turned pro in his teens. How many divisions do you think he would've won world titles in because he wouldn't have turned pro at 126? And if you doubt for a single second he would've been capable of achieving so much more and winning world titles at even more weights, unifying, and becoming undisputed had he done so you're clearly a bigot or you DKSAB.

    Remember when people were still questioning whether he was the real deal or not when he turned pro or even years after he'd done so? :facepalm:

    For starters, you only have to seen a brief bit of footage in action to know he's a very special and rare talent with a skill level which is off the charts but how can someone who goes 397-1 controversial loss avenged x 2 not be the real deal? :facepalm: I know there have been great amateurs who were busts in the pros but do you understand how difficult something like that is to do and the insane level of talent and consistency you would need to possess to achieve that, let alone at the level he fought at for much of his career? One loss in over 400 fights if you include the WSB. No other fighter has ever done that

    This is his trophy cabinet

    He won every single tournament he entered as an amateur sans one where he came second. Just think about that for a second

    One solitary silver medal in an ocean of gold

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    He conceded only seven points when he won the gold medal at the 2009 World Amateur Championships despite the fact he broke his hand in the tournament. Just seven freaking points in the whole tournament. The vast majority of amateur greats concede that amount in a single fight.

    'Even a broken hand couldn't stop Lomachenko as he won gold at the 2009 World Championships in Milan while compromised. In that tournament, he beat his five opponents by a 56 point margin, outscoring them 63–7.'

    Defeated Mario Aleksić (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 16–2
    Defeated Craig Evans (Wales) 15–1
    Defeated Branimir Stanković (Serbia) 8–2
    Defeated Oscar Valdez (Mexico) 12–1
    Defeated Sergey Vodopyanov (Russia) 12–1

    Yet again utterly toying with top fighters

    Valdez is a two-weight world champion and Vodopyanov was no slouch because in addition to winning silver that year he had previously won gold at the World Amateur Championships too

    At the following World Amateur Championships in 2011 he defeated

    Jose Carlos Ramirez (USA)
    Robson Conceicao (Brasil)
    Fazliddin Gaibnazarov (Uzbekistan)
    Domenico Valentino (Italy)
    Yasniel Toledo (Cuba)

    JCR was a highly decorated American amateur in addition to going on to become a two-belt unified world champ in the pros

    Robson Conceicao is an Olympic gold medalist and a World Amateur Championships silver and bronze medalist and should be the current WBC 130 champ after whooping Valdez's ass

    Fazliddin Gaibnazarov is an Olympic gold medalist and World Amateur Championships silver medalist

    Domenico Valentino is a World Amateur Championships gold, silver, and 3 x bronze medalist and a European silver and bronze medalist

    Yasniel Toledo is World Amateur Championships 2 x silver medalist, 1 x bronze and an Olympic bronze medalist

    The reason those fighters don't have more Olympic or World Amateur Championships gold, silver or bronze medals is because Loma is the one who beat them in some of their losses in those major championships

    And that was up at lightweight where everyone was much naturally bigger than him


    'Lomachenko won gold at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing and avenged his 2007 World Championship defeat to rival and reigning world champion, Selimov, in the first round. He beat his five opponents by an astonishing 45 point margin, outscoring them 58–13, en route to his first gold medal at the senior level. He was subsequently named the outstanding boxer of the tournament and awarded the Val Barker Trophy. His dominant run was described by one historian as "probably the most impressive streak in Olympic boxing ever."

    Additionally, he won gold again that year to also become continental champion at the European Championships in Liverpool, conceding just 4 points against his four opponents


    And he isn't weakening opponents with catchweights, slapping rehydration clauses on them, and short camps, handicapping or crippling them at the negotiating table so he has all the advantages in his favour and hasn't jacked himself with PEDs to help him bridge the gap as he's ascended through the divisions like so many of these other multiple weight champs and greats have and he doesn't have the judges in his pocket either, quite the opposite in fact. If he had home advantage and refs and judges (and he's never had a single one) like so many of these have gloves won't travel deck-stacking hypes do he would still be undefeated and P4P#1. As it stands, he should only have one legit loss on his record.

    He's fighting these much bigger, longer, and more powerful giants when they're full strength and a number of them, including GRJ, Teofimo (a full set of home judges and refs for both fights), Campbell and a bunch of others in their backyards/country which certain celebrated favourites on here didn't and wouldn't dare do even once and he's never got the rub of the green even once from the judges.

    One of the home judges score his one-sided ass whooping of GRJ a draw :facepalm:

    One scored his fight against Teofimo 119-109 :facepalm:

    And one gave Nakatani 2 rounds even though it was a one-sided massacre :facepalm:
     
    Serge, Jan 13, 2022
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You're an excuse making mfkr, If you're injured pull out like Spence did otherwise no excuses when you get schooled, it's that simple.:deal:
     
    Pimp C, Jan 13, 2022
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  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's not an excuse you country bumpkin. An excuse is saying, "Pac ONLY lost due to his shoulder". I've never claimed that. Simply stating he had an inquiry is NOT making an excuse. I don't expect your country mouse to get it. Jr high school reading level mfkr....
     
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  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Shut the hell up excuse maker. All these overzealous pac fans like you use the shoulder injury as an excuse. You came out guns blazing trying to agree with a poster that does use it. You're full of **** like always lance that cold lonely alaska winter has frozen your brain.
     
    Pimp C, Jan 13, 2022
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  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your problem ism EVERYTHING is an agenda in your brain. How ****in stupid do you have to be to just ignore a respected doctor's statement. Seriously...you hate Pac so much you ignore reality?? What are you, cracked out?? Or meth?

    YOU have tried to use injuries to excuse Floyd's poor performances *******. Are you aware of that? Is there ANY SELF AWEARENESS in your crackhead??

    What poster you talking about Mr. paranoid crackhead??? go to rehab, then go back get your GED.....
     
    The Real Lance, Jan 13, 2022
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  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Shut your dumb miserable like to argue excuse making ass up. You always go around sticking your nose in everyone's business like a hoe. A MFKR from Alaska trying to talk **** about anyone is hilarious a state without a fighting man or a real athlete in it. LMFAO! You just like to make excuses when fighters you like don't deliver. I don't have to make excuses for PBF because he never lost and if he did I wouldn't do it. I don't give damn about a doctor's statement after the fact if you're injured going into the fight then pull out like Spence did. Why is that so hard for your dumbass to understand? You don't check healthy on the NSAC form then after you get schooled complain after about being injured that's an excuse period.
     
    Pimp C, Jan 13, 2022
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  9. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cut the crap moron...you argue with everyone here yourself. YOU come up with excuses yourself. You don't even know what constitutes as an excuse. i tried to explain, hoping you might have a brain (too much crack huh....), but your inability to read things w/ context, is why you suck as a poster. You're just DUMB and slow dude. Go get your GED man...you'll feel better.

    The **** does living in AK have to do with anything? YOU ****s in TX are ones to talk. Bunch of religious redneck bumpkins still sucking trump's teet. TX is a flat wasteland of big hair and rednex. The ONLY thing that is bigger in TX...your egos.

    Pac is NOT the first fighter to lie on a pre-health questionnaire, nor will he be the last. Are you a child? or just dumb as one. Boxers DO THAT ****. Especially if it's involving a huge fight.
     
    The Real Lance, Jan 13, 2022
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  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You're an excuse maker lance and kinda slow so let me break it down for you mouth breather.

    Pac made 2 mistakes if he was going into the PBF fight injured.
    Mistake 1 if he was injured, he should have pulled out of the fight period!
    Mistake 2 If he was injured he should have not checked healthy on the NSAC form stating that he was healthy.

    You can not go back and claim after the fact that you were injured and it was the reason why you lost. That is the definition of an excuse. Period! There is no way you can spin that those are facts. Spence pulled out of the Pac fight due to injury even though it was the biggest fight of his life and a career high payday Pac could have done the same because just like Spence it was the biggest fight of his life and a career high payday If he was injured but he didn't you can't make excuses after the fact and take away from PBF's win because of it, Pac said he was healthy and didn't pull out of the fight. Now don't bother me with this **** again you dumb broke cannery worker.
     
    Pimp C, Jan 13, 2022
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  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: Says the GED student... once again trying to use what I said back at me. You slow witted doofases always do that, since you can't come up with something original of your own.

    blah blah.... welcome to boxing noob. this is the nature of the game.

    I didn't say that ass hole! :lol: is someone else reading these posts for you?? Is it your illiterate boyfriend floyd? :lol:
    SEARCH for me saying Pac ONLY LOST because of his injury. Find it bitchtits....
     
    The Real Lance, Jan 13, 2022
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  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Nowhere?
     
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  13. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Inoue IMO has already surpassed him.
     
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  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Nature of the game now is it???:jaja-no::jaja-no::jaja-no: If Pac was injured pull out or don't check healthy on the NSAC form, it's that simple. It's not my fault you love to make excuses and give fighters you like passes. Only a miserable fool like you would continue to argue this. I'm right you're wrong dummy. Thanks for playing you're too easy!:wave:
     
    Pimp C, Jan 13, 2022
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  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    stop being stupid dude... You know boxers do that. What, you NEVER heard of a boxing entering a fight not 100%? You f'n poser noob crackhead.

    You just don't have a good grasp at communication, context, and remedial f'm English! Seriously...go get your GED. Please? I'll pay for your juiceboxes at lunch bitchtits...
     
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