Canelo Alvarez v Jack Sharkey

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Seamus, Jan 14, 2022.


Alvarez v Sharkey

  1. Sharkey by Dec

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    40.6%

  2. Sharkey by KO (hahahahahaha)

    6 vote(s)
    18.8%

  3. Canelo by KO

    10 vote(s)
    31.3%

  4. Canelo by Dec

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    No he wasn't.

    He was about the same size as Archie Moore.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What are you talking about Janitor?

    He is listed as slightly taller than Sharkey.

    He is listed as slightly longer than Sharkey.

    He is said to ahe weighed, in the ring, about what Sharkey weighed, in the ring, around the time he fought Harry WIlls.

    Why are you talking about Archie Moore?
     
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  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Terrific post.
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Barrios is a bandit robber - Psalm 144:1 Full Member

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    @cross_trainer has it right, stand and deliver and create a better argument you can do that with any fighter. “Slow twitch stiff Bob gets timed from the vet and beaten the pillar to post...” honestly you could make it a copypasta it’s so general lol.
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Sharkey was a predictable, easily timed, unimaginative, underpowered fighter. And he lost to a litany of nobodies. Canelo can time and can thump enough to out Sharkey off the hunt. There.
     
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  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Barrios is a bandit robber - Psalm 144:1 Full Member

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    What I can deduce from this is Jiro Watanabe for president.
     
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  7. Ali Holmes

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    You could have at least matched Sharkey with Roy Jones Jr
     
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  8. BCS8

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    This is what I think as well. That's why I brought up Golovkin in the other Sharkey thread.

    Canelo has next-level defence compared to the guys Sharkey fought and a tremendous sense of timing. Sharkey seems competent to me but not really outstanding in any area, and Canelo eats guys like that for breakfast.
     
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  9. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't see how his defense is next level compared to Tommy Loughran.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sharkey was predictable? Can you stop trolling for a moment? There was nothing predictable about Sharkey. Max Schmeling really struggled to time Sharkey's defense and he was much better puncher than Canelo

    About underpowered - as Loughran how underpowered he was.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    That's a fair point, but Loughran had minimal punching power. In fact, let me be blunt: if tommy had to make an omelette he needed his girlfriend to break the eggs and beat them for him. Alvarez has crushing power, literally. He breaks faces. It's easy to go after a guy that can't hurt you.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Canelo wouldn't have any power against people Sharkey's size. Not without even more roids.
     
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  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    As an example.

    Kovalev's in ring weight, is about the same as the catchweight of somebody like Archie Moore, when he was the light heavyweight champion.

    In other words nothing remarkable.

    I would also point out that Sharkey was 24 when he fought Harry Wills.

    Evander Holyfield fought his first professional fight at 177lbs, at the age of 23.

    Sharkey weighed 205 when he won the title.

    So no, I don't accept the premise that an ancient Kovalev, represents a serious test of whether Canelo could hang with a prime Jack Sharkey.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm not saying it's remarkable; I've claimed nothing for this fact other than its being a fact.

    Good grief Janitor, I don't either.

    I won't make another post on this topic after this one, but I feel this discussion has been suitably muddied enough that it's worth quickly reviewing what actually happened.

    You said "Surely to god we would need to see Canelo in against somebody bigger, before we start seriously entertaining his chances against Sharkey?"

    My point is, he has. He has been in with a fighter who weighed around the same who was taller than Sharkey with a longer reach (marginal). That's all. I don't understand why it needs to be so difficult, or why you need to strawman me ("I don't accept the premise that an ancient Kovalev..." when I never remotely proposed that premise) or drag poor old Archie into it.

    I do have to say though that your trying to argue that Sharkey is bigger than Kovalev by trying to insist I use the 25 rather than the 24 year old version to make him 6lbs heavier rather than 2lbs lighter than Kovalev while simultaneously arguing that Vitali Klitschko having a fifty-pound advantage isn't that significant in another thread, is bizarre in the extreme. And that's the polite version.
     
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  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Ouch!
     
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