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Inexplicably, Roid would refuse all offers from the Collins camp during '96.

Collins responded by taunting Roid via the press;

ALAS MYTH AND JONES; I won't wait for ever for over-rated Roy, vows Collins.
Mirror, London
07 Sep 1996

Steve Collins last night issued a world-title challenge to American superstar Roy Jones and vowed: "I'll prove I'm the best - but I'm not hanging around for ever."

The Irishman's promoter Frank Warren has made a pounds 2 million-plus offer for a unification contest between WBO super-middleweight champion Collins and IBF king Jones.

But Collins, determined to turn himself into a fistic legend, won't wait indefinitely for the showdown.

And the Dublin hero reckons unbeaten Jones - rated by many as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world today - hasn't fought anyone of any note yet!

Collins, 32, said: "We have made offers, good offers, to Jones's people. But never throughout his boxing career has Jones requested a fight with me. He knows I'm there, he knows I've beaten two guys he wanted to fight. I think he's a clever fighter and he knows that I have the capability of beating him.

"If they offered me Jones tomorrow, I'd take it. He is filling a void in America. There are no more Thomas Hearns', no more Marvin Haglers and no more Sugar Ray Leonards."

Collins is all set for a second defence against Nigel Benn at Manchester's Nynex Arena on either October 19 or November 9.

Their first fight finished in freak fashion on July 6 when Benn quit after going over on his ankle - and Collins is in the mood to wreak more damage second time around. But he'd really love to take on Jones.

He added: "The Americans need someone to fill that gap so Jones seems to have come along at the right time.

"They are building him up, but to me he hasn't proved himself to be a great fighter yet. He hasn't beaten anybody that's great, in my opinion. He's beaten some old fighters or guys who've gone past their best. But he's never actually beaten guys at the top of their game.

"I'd say I have. I reckon I've fought the best around throughout my career - and I think my record proves I'm the better fighter.

"But there's no point in arguing about it, the best thing to do is just get it on.

"I'd love to fight the guy. We've made them offers. Frank Warren has offered them good money, and even given them the choice of venue.

"But they've thrown in little things which in my opinion are excuses not to put the fight on.

"They are not exactly coming back to us at the speed at which we would expect. So I'm not going to wait around for those guys, I'm going to be active. Like I said, there's Benn and others. Whoever they are, just line them up and I'll have them."

Jones, with 28 inside-the-distance wins in a perfect 32-0 record, has upset the fight game in the States by playing two different sports on the same day!

He was condemned as arrogant and not showing due respect to his opponent when, before his last fight in Florida in June, he took part in a basketball match for Jacksonville Barracudas in the afternoon.

He then went on in the evening to stop French-Canadian Eric Lucas at the end of the 11th round. Jones, who has been criticised for turning down fights, is looking for meaningful contests. And they wouldn't come any more meaningful than a clash with rock-chinned Collins.

Note 1: One excuse for this duck which Loudunce/Fat Robert made up was his incorrect claim that Roid was already earning more by defeating a string of second raters than the then career-high offer from Collins. LOL. Wrong. Obviously basic maths isn't Fat Robert's strong point (along with everything else); HBO's whole license fee for Roid's bouts were capped at $3m for all expenses including promotion & marketing before the fight purses - and he simply couldn't draw flies vs second raters. It's no secret. So how could the Collins camp's base £2m+ offer for a big uk ppv fight be less?? Nonsensical. Does this spastic even think before making up his excuses? A child wouldn't even invent such a stupid obvious lie.

Note 2: Loudunce's next excuse for the duck was the comparative lack of credibility of Collins' WBO title in the US at the time compared to the UK & Europe - even though, not even following boxing back then, he was not aware of this - and genuinely had no idea the WBO was valued differently in difference parts of the world. The fat clueless f@g actually didn't believe it and found it "funny" when first schooled on the subject;

Obviously?? And how would he possibly know this?? Not to mention he's completely wrong. As usual.

The WBO excuse is particularly nonsensical considering it contradicts Roid's own behaviour as he challenged WBO middleweight titlist Lonnie Bradley at the post-fight press conference after his next fight against Bryant Brannon in Oct '96 and would defend his paper light-heavyweight straps against reigning WBO middleweight titlist Otis Grant in 1998.

Plus a WBA-WBO unification bout at heavyweight against Corrie 'The Sniper' Sanders was a done deal in Aug '03...bar the one single detail of Roid signing the dotted line. Roid stated Sanders' WBO title was the only reason he wanted the fight. However, within two days Roid changed his mind and backed out, citing the WBO's threat to strip Sanders if he took the fight as the reason the bout was off;

GL: So if it's not unification you're not fighting Sanders?
RJJ: If he's getting stripped I ain't messing with it, it don't make sense. The only reason I was even considering the fight is because I don't have the WBO title in my archive. Ya feel me? If he's getting stripped it does me no good to fight him.
- B*xingt*lk.net, 11 Aug 2003

Of course Roid could've been lying here. There were also reports of Roid increasing his paid demand to $20m which killed the fight. Roid's shenanigans at heavyweight alone could fill a book though aren't worth fully researching at this point.

...Roid loved his ABC titles, would proudly hold seven at light-heavyweight and recognized the WBO himself, even if some in the US were slow to accept the reality of the WBO's "legitimacy" alongside the WBC & WBA. Showtime, Sky, RTL, Premiere, Boxing Monthly, World Boxing, & Boxing News have all been proven right regarding the WBO. HBO & The Ring have been proven wrong, and after looking foolish for so long have admitted as much. This was obvious 20 years ago.

While the governing bodies are all garbage, the WBO if anything has proven to be the least corrupt.

Regardless, the matchups Roid ducked held more significance than the ABC titles involved, and which of the four major world titles the fighters held weren't an issue to begin with. The lazy weak WBO excuse is a fallacy, and the exact type of false reasoning to be expected by a deluded dishonest fanboy, along with meaningless drivel such as "Roy had a huge ego".

When it came to ducking, Roid avoided the man, not his title. Fact.

 

7 figures or considerably more??

Whatever became of HBO, the network of champions, which broadcast most of the pivotal fights of the 1980s? Does not HBO have the $$$ clout to make a decent, competitive, big $ Roy Jones fight happen? Why are they acquiescing in bullsh*t like the "live panel discussion" with Farhood, Paige and Borges (who should be ashamed of themselves for taking part) lobbing scripted softball questions ("Will I be taking the 11:45 train or the 12:45 home tonight?") at a glib Jones who used the occasion to spout a bunch of b.s. platitudes. He was allowed to slip out of questions about his lack of competition and his basketball clowning with nary a challenge. Why does HBO resort to this circus crap and why do we put up with it?
- CyberBoxingZone, 05 Oct 1996

Due to the rapidly increasing perception that Roid was reluctant to face the best opposition (which would ultimately prove to be correct, to put it mildly), Seth Abraham asked Roid to give what's now an infamous live Q & A interview with cherrypicked journalists to supposedly respond to the criticism on the day of his bout against bullet-ridden jailbird midget Brannon. Strangely failing to mention the big fight offers from Collins, it was during this interview when, prompted by HBO's clueless commentator Jim Lampley, Roid would blatantly lie about making offers of "7 figures or considerably more" to Collins, Nigel Benn, Frankie Liles, and Vincenzo Nardiello (LOL) "which had been turned down". A complete fabrication;

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"Absolutely laughable."

Why would these offers - if they were real - somehow ALL be turned down??

The fact that none of the imaginary offers were reported or confirmed by the recipients (they were denied in fact) and were completely at odds with what was actually happening in the real world obviously prove Roid was lying.

Remember, this is the boxer who would shamelessly pay his ABC title challengers no higher than a disgusting 10% split of the fight purses.

Abraham & HBO's senior vice-president Lou DiBella have never since defended him against the criticism for ducking either. They would infact do the exact opposite and expose him, which we'll spell out further on. Even Roid himself would unwittingly contradict and expose the "7 figure offers" nonsense as a lie to Collins in person, on camera, which we'll also have a good laugh at.

The Q & A was obviously a lame PR exercise in which Roid inexplicably was not pressed on any of his ridiculous claims. If anything it only rightly arose more suspicion about Roid.

Note: To explain the imaginary "7 figure offers" lies, Loudunce pathetically invented a scenario in which Roid had "disclosed details" of these fabricated offers to his enablers @HBO (Abraham, DiBella etc) who "PUBLICLY BACKED" him [i.e. his lies] and that there was "not a chance in hell" they would've "authorized" the interview and the lies spouted by Roid & Lampley without these imaginary "details";

LOL. What a load of sh*t. Loudunce is a complete f*cking spastic who lives in a fantasy world and posts more made up imaginary nonsense about Roid Jones online than everyone else combined.

In reality, Roid had simply fed Lampley & co a lie which Lampley asked Roid to repeat during the interview. At this point the HBO bosses were clearly not fully aware what a ducking pathological liar Roid was. But they sure as hell would find out - and they'd make it public. It's not complicated.

...back in the real world, Collins - keen to stay active yet ready to box Jones - again calls out Roid after predictably ending Benn's career in Nov '96;

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And Collins would also make his stance perfectly f*cking clear when he was quoted two days before the fight;

"I will take him [Jones] on in Las Vegas at super middle or light heavy, and I believe that such a fight would be a huge money spinner and I would be confident of winning it."

"If Jones wants to challenge me at super middle or light heavy I am ready. I want to fight and beat the best, and if Jones believes he is the best let him prove it," Collins said, with some considerable passion.
- The Irish Times, 08 Nov 1996

Avoiding his super-middleweight rivals, Roid inexplicably jumped up in weight to pick up the first of his bogus light-heavyweight straps to end '96 - the "interim" WBC title - in a pointless, hastily arranged sparring session with the now fat ancient 40 year old Mike McCallum (Fabrice Tiozzo was the actual WBC champion). Jones-McCallum wasn't a title fight of any kind until HBO asked WeBeCrooks to add a label to the fight to help sell such a lame matchup.

Of course Roid was incorrectly announced as the new champion;

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"McCallum was old when I fought him." remarked Collins.

Note: According to Loudunce - i.e. the deluded fanboy narrative - is Roid "had no chance of unifying" @ 168lbs so moved up to 175lbs for a "fresh challenge" (presumably starting with the incredibly stale McCallum), where he would beat imaginary "better fighters" than Collins.

What a load of sh*t.

"No chance of unifying"??? How do these deluded fanboys ever reconcile their fantasy world with what happens in reality? Literally everything Fat Robert has posted on this subject - or will ever post - is wrong. Not only wrong, but utter utter b0llocks. And he's already been parroting this nonsense for years - no matter how many times he gets schooled. Tragic.

More utter b0llocks;

Couldn't deal with King?? LOL.

WTF has King got to do with the Collins duck??

A much more accurate opinion would be that Roid avoided signing with King not because of King himself but because it would've opened the door for Roid to face Jackson, McClellan, Liles, Benn etc with absolutely no excuses for avoiding them, as Roid was ultimately proven to avoid the best opposition whether they were tied to King or not.

Not to mention Roid would eventually work with King without any issues to negotiate a bout with King fighter John 'The Quiet Can' Ruiz.

The Don King excuse is a true ret@rd's fallacy if there ever was one.

Roid refused to unify with Collins (or Benn, or Liles). Fact.

...Jones-McCallum took place on the same weekend as the Henry Maske vs Virgil Hill unification bout. An underdog and already viewed as being past his best, Hill would upset the odds vs a below-par Maske - in Germany against the national hero no less - to be crowned the first Lineal light-heavyweight champion since Michael Spinks. Up to this point Roid had talked about - but for whatever reason - refused to box Hill.

"I'm not comfortable at this weight.", said Jones after McCallum. Despite his reluctance to face any rivals @168lbs, Roid remained undecided about whether to return to 168 or remain @175. Collins wasn't concerned either way, as he'd spelled out.

...looking as strong as ever, Collins again calls out Roid on the broadcasts screened on either side of the Atlantic in Feb '97;

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The same month it was reported that Roid was ordered by the IBF to relinquish one of his two titles due to it violating their rules.

 

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Again the Collins camp offered Roid the fight, and again Roid declined - this time using Hill as an excuse while still refusing to actually make the fight with Hill.

Collins would further taunt Jones for his stalling tactics.

In an exact repeat of the nonsense when ducking Benn, Roid - while refusing all offers - would again lie about making an imaginary, lesser $2m offer (compared to Allegedly's £2m+) to Collins back in Nov.

Collins could only laugh at Roid's lies;

IT'S WAR; Words fly over Steve super fight.
Mirror, London
14 Mar 1997

A White Hot war of words has broken out between Steve Collins and Roy Jones - with both world champions accusing the other of ducking out of a unifying mega-match.

Celtic Warrior Collins says Jones will not respond to fight offers from his promoter Frank Warren, despite the fact that the fight would gross far more cash than the double world champ from Florida has ever earned.

Angry Collins said: "I cannot believe what Roy Jones is playing at. He says he wants to fight the best and yet he won't fight me. I have tried countless times to get him into the ring and he is chickening out.

"Whether it is Jones himself or his management playing these games I don't know, but I'm fed up with everyone saying he's the best pound for pounder in the world when he won't even fight me. I beat Eubank, who beat Benn who beat McClellan, so surely I'm the best there is. The Yanks are believing Jones' own hype."

Collins even travelled to Atlantic City two weeks ago for the Sugar Ray Leonard comeback fight in the hope of seeing Jones and persuading him to make the bout.

"I wanted to talk to him face to face because I believe he has honour. He was scheduled to be there, but wasn't when I turned up.

"He has had a very carefully marketed career and because of that a lot of boxing fans wouldn't even recognise him. That's bullsh*t as far as I'm concerned. I have pride in my willingness to fight anybody who comes knocking at my door - and beating them."

Jones, the unbeaten IBF super-middleweight and WBC light-heavy champion, is in training in his home town of Pensacola, Florida, for a fight with Detroit's Montell Griffin later this month.

But it is yet another Jones bout which has failed to attract the imagination of the American public, with less than 3,000 tickets sold in boxing-mad Atlantic City.

Jones, 28, said: "I would love to fight Collins because I rate him as an excellent boxer and I watch all his fights. There is no way he would beat me, but I respect his skills. Maybe one day we will get it together but right now I'm concentrating on my next fight and then I want to take on Virgil Hill.

"If Collins wants to fight me, then fine. But he has to get in the queue.

"I know my managers offered him around $2million last November and Collins refused, saying it was too little money. That shows he's not telling the whole story.

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But American TV are interested. Lou DiBella, a spokes-man for HBO, said: "Collins deserves his chance. Discussions are happening."

After Tiozzo moved up to cruiserweight, Roid was upgraded to full WBC title holder in March and gave up the IBF 168lb belt. Later that month Roid would infamously lose his title when he fouled Montell 'Ice' Griffin in his first defence.

It's unfortunate Roid never had Hill's courage; in Jun '97, Hill - with no fight with Jones in sight - again returned to Germany to defend the world championship and further unify the ABC titles only to be dominated by WBO titlist Dariusz 'The Tiger' Michalczewski. Joke comic The Ring magazine who were Roid's unofficial cheerleading team had no choice but to replace Hill with Michalczewski as #1 in the world at this point. (The Ring had inexpicably stopped recognizing the world champions in each division during the early 90s.)

Note: Loudunce aka Fat Robert pathetically made up a hilarious fake reason for Michalczewski and not Roid challenging Hill and becoming world champion by inventing the scenario of Roid wanting to box Hill after Griffin but "blowing it" by getting himself disqualified against Griffin and having to prepare for a rematch which delayed an imaginary Hill-Jones fight, during which time Michalczewski was able to swoop in and snatch the world championship off Hill from under Roid's nose;

There's just one problem with this lie; Hill-Michalczewski was set before Jones-Griffin even happened.

Loudunce aka Fat Robert must assume everyone is as dumb as he is.

Again, back in the real world;

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Roid's unbelievable lack of drawing power in America was again brutally exposed when the rematch with Griffin in Aug - which Roid won in the first round whilst clearly juiced to the eyeballs - could only manage an incredibly low 90k ppv buys.

Still, with Hill having lost his titles and Roid having no intention of boxing his #1 WBC challenger Michael 'Second To' Nunn let alone challenge the division's new champion Michalczewski, the path was clear yet again for Jones-Collins.

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A more measured, serious piece was then printed in the trade paper Boxing News to announce yet another attempt to make the Jones-Collins fight;

Collins could get it on with Jones
By Claude Abrams
29 Aug 1997

Negotiations for a showdown between Steve Collins, the WBO super-middleweight champion, and Roy Jones, recognized as arguably the finest boxer in the world, pound-for-pound, were formally opened over a week ago as a means to resolve differences between the Irishman and his promoter, Allegedly.

There was a gathering of chiefs - not around a fire, passing a peace pipe - but on the end of a speaker telephone linking Allegedly, the Levin brothers who advise Jones, HBO's senior vice-president Lou DiBella, and Collins. The only absent party was Jones.

Not that Jones wasn't invited, though keeping appointments is not his strong point apparently. The WBC light-heavyweight champion failed to catch a flight on August 14 for an important meeting with HBO bosses and did likewise for a press conference to launch his most recent contest against Montell Griffin. According to Fred Levin, however, Jones has given his blessing for the fight to be made, though finding the money to meet the financial demands of the two participants - even with pay-per-view in Britain and HBO in America - could prove equally as challenging as winning will be for Collins.

Collins and Jones both have an inflated opinion of what the match is worth, certainly if it is to take place in Britain, which is the preferred venue for all concerned. The Irishman is convinced that if the American can be enticed to these shores, the match would sell out the Nynex Arena in Manchester. "I want a fight with Jones," said Collins. "I would like Frank to promote it also. Jones' people would like it to take place in Britain and Frank has done a great job promoting my fights. As far as I'm concerned he is the man to put it on.

"It makes more sense that they come to Britain. Jones is not a great sell in America. He may be a bigger attraction here than in the USA. And I would feel more comfortable at the Nynex, because it is a bit like being at home. But if the fight goes to Las Vegas is it no problem. I must go where the best deal is to make it happen."

Collins and Allegedly were locked into discussions over a week ago, the result of which was that Collins would pursue a match with Jones. Failing that, the Irishman says he would be prepared to tackle the unbeaten, yet untested Welshman Joe Calzaghe, the WBO's mandatory contender.

The row between Collins and Allegedly, says the fighter, was the result of "a breakdown of communication".

But Collins says he told Allegedly what he wanted and that the promoter and accepts and understand his needs.

Only time will tell whether it's financially viable, but one source reported that Jones, whose relations with the Levins has been rumoured to be on shaky ground, wants a minimum of $5m for all future fights.

It is questionable whether Jones will get that for any fight, never mind Collins.

 

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There you have it.

HBO, Roid's handlers, and Roid himself agreed the fight should happen - in the UK if necessary, which would guarantee a big crowd - with Collins prepared to travel wherever he had to to get Roid in the ring - at 168lbs, 175, or a catchweight.

Being a live underdog and having his Irish following both stateside and back home, Jones vs Collins would've been bigger in the US or UK than any of Roids fights circa 95-03, and easily a uk ppv fight which Roid would've received a percentage of.

95-97 Collins was also a better opponent than anyone Jones would face from Toney (1994) to Ruiz (2003).

There was no reason for the fight not to happen and literally no obstacles blocking the fight; they were the top 2 in the world, Roid was a free agent and on the verge of dropping his WBC title to avoid Nunn (during his prime, Roid avoided all the best southpaws; Liles, Nunn, Rocchigiani, Calzaghe in '00, Tarver in '00 & '02, Jirov).

The only thing preventing the Collins fight was Roid's cowardice.

So he deliberately priced himself out by demanding $5m.

Exposing Roid was easy; all his rivals had to do was call his bluff.

Note: Despite Roid and all of his handlers insisting the Collins fight should happen back then, 20 years later this clueless deluded mentally ill fanboy ret@rd internet forum loser "Loudunce" who wasn't even following the sport during that time insists Roid had nothing to gain by boxing Collins. LOL. This willfully stupid opinion is just one example of the delusional nonsense Fat Robert will resort to in order to try and defend Roid's ducks;

What a spastic.

By Loudunce logic, Roid's whole resume during that 8+ year run of ducking & cherrypicking post-Toney is meaningless. LOL.

Some more utterly clueless Loudunce quotes on Collins;

"but he [Collins] wasn't a big name, and there was no real demand for the fight."<--- Nonsensical.

"What risk? There was no money involved, no major title, he wasn't a mandatory."<--- Clueless.

"But he had no major title, and didn't bring in any money." <--- DENYING reality. LOL.

"I just don't see how it's such a big deal that Roy swerved him. I believe that Roy fought better fighters, and he looked to fight better fighters than Collins." <--- No. Post-Toney, he did not.

"He beat better fighters than Collins, and he also tried to fight better fighters than Collins."<--- Wrong again.

"But history has shown us that Roy dismissed Collins to pursue better fighters at higher weights."<---biggest load of sh*t I've ever read.

"What would Roy have gotten from a Collins fight? A fight with a hell of a tough fighter, for little money and no title. Now if Collins had have held a major title at 168 or 175, then I honestly believe that Roy had've taken the fight." <--- What like he did with McClellan, Benn, Liles, Michalczewski, Rocchigiani, Calzaghe et al? What planet is this joker on? Pure self-delusion. Tragic.

Clueless creepy losers with a bunch of learning disabilities & mental disorders like Loudunce (& HerolGee) shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the internet. Not to mention they're the exact type of p*ssies who wouldn't breath a word of their crap in person because they'd quickly get a smack in the mouth.

I'm also still wondering who these imaginary "better fighters" than Collins were...

Back to reality; doing everything he could to get Roid Jones in the ring to no avail, Collins would arrange a mandatory title defense vs Joe Calzaghe for Oct '97. However, after postponing the bout due to injury two weeks before fight night, Collins tearfully announced his sudden retirement;

Collins announces his retirement
The Independent
03 Oct 1997

Steve Collins, the World Boxing Organisation super-middleweight champion, yesterday announced his retirement from boxing. The Irishman, who had pulled out of his title defence against Joe Calzaghe which was due to take place in Sheffield on Saturday week, made the announcement at the British Boxing Awards ceremony in Bloomsbury, central London.

Collins, accepting the award for Best Overseas Boxer, said: "I don't have the motivation that I once had.

"My only way to carry on was to fight Roy Jones, the WBC [World Boxing Council] light heavyweight champion, but as there is no chance of that happening now, the only route I have is to retire.

"As a super-middleweight, it was a very exciting time with the likes of Mike McCallum, Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Michael Watson, Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank.

"I believed I was the best of that group, and with my two world title wins over Benn and Eubank I proved it."

Collins, nicknamed "Celtic Warrior", added: "I would like to thank the British fans for supporting me and promoter Frank Warren, who gave me the chance to further my career, which sadly is now over."

Collins revealed that he had been considering retiring from boxing for a while before finally hanging up his gloves yesterday afternoon. The Irishman said: "It's something I've been thinking over in my mind for the best part of 12 months."

After announcing his decision to quit he told BBC Radio 5 Live: "If you continue in the game without hunger that's when people lose and get hurt.

"I'm quitting while I'm ahead and I'm happy to have achieved all my ambitions.

"The fight that would have kept me in boxing was against Roy Jones. But he has ducked me for two years, even though Frank Warren, my promoter, did everything to make it happen."

The British Boxing Board of Control secretary, John Morris, believes that the bout between Calzaghe and Collins's replacement, Eubank, will now be for the vacant WBO super-middleweight title - rather than for an interim title.

Following Collins's retirement the championship automatically becomes vacant and Eubank-Calzaghe, which was billed as an interim title fight, is expected to now be for the Irishman's belt.

Morris said: "Ultimately it is up to the WBO to make that decision but as far as I'm concerned, and we at the British Boxing Board of Control are concerned, Chris Eubank and Joe Calzaghe will fight for the vacant title."

 

...continued;

Roid was already clearly full of sh*t by this point; his bs continued even after Collins retired with Roid's handlers tediously publicly claiming that he still wanted the fight while still admitting to Roid pricing himself out in demanding a ridiculous $5m. Yet again Collins called Roid's bluff and like magic, Roid's team went quiet.;

Jones wants Collins [not]
DUBLIN, Ireland
08 Oct 1997

WBC light-heavyweight champion Roy Jones Jr. wants to fight Ireland's Steve Collins, who announced his surprise retirement last week.

Collins, the former WBO super-middleweight champ, said he regretted never having fought the American champion.

Jones' spokesman and publicist, Greg Fritz, said Wednesday the fight can still happen.

"Roy has wanted to fight Steve for some time and if the money is right he will," Fritz said. "He wants Steve to come out of retirement to fight him."

Fritz said Jones would have to get $5 million for the fight.

"We are prepared to come to Dublin, Belfast, Boston, wherever he wants to fight," Fritz said. "At this moment, I'm just waiting for his call. The fight can be made."

In the meantime, Fritz said, negotiations are underway for Jones to fight Germany's WBO light-heavyweight champion Dariusz Michalczewski.

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Collins: $5m? 'No'
Mirror, London
10 Oct 1997

Steve Collins has c0cked a sceptical eyebrow at the £3million comeback offer from Roy Jones.

"If they are serious they can write to me, my solicitor, or my promoter," said the recently retired WBO super middleweight champion.

"I retired last week and I am not interested in the publicity stunts," added the Dubliner who fought 39 pro fights, lost only three and stopped opponents on 21 occasions.

"Asking for $5million, a totally unrealistic sum, shows that Jones does not really want the fight. It's just talk," said Collins.

Less than a week after Steve made a tearful farewell to the game that has probably netted him pounds 2m, the Jones camp came up with their offer.

But Collins insisted yesterday: "I retired last week, I am still retired and I am enjoying being retired, so I am not impressed with this nonsense."

At 33 Collins has lost his appetite for boxing and after ten tough years in the pro ranks has had enough.

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As expected, Roid finally gave up the WBC title in Nov to avoid Nunn and begin the scandalous Double-duck.

[After Roid's heavily juiced-up performance vs Griffin II] "Normal Business Resumed" read the headlines. Well, I'm afraid it's true. Roy is back to his old self. The same old self that kept us guessing as to whether he could beat Nigel Benn when both were recognized as the super-middleweight division's top guns. The same old self that really didn't want to face Benn's conqueror Steve Collins but instead of saying so blamed the fact that he wasn't getting his ridiculous purse demand of $5m for the fight. The same old self that most recently - and most disturbingly - relinquished his WBC light-heavyweight belt in order to avoid facing Michael Nunn. Again the dust was blown off an old excuse from the Roy archives: This time he was upset that HBO were apparently planning not to screen the fight. Yup, normal business is resumed.
- CyberBoxingZone, 17 Dec 1997

...in '97 Roid also refused a to box undefeated southpaw puncher William 'KO King' Guthrie who would pick up Michalczewski's IBF title, with Roid's excuse being Guthrie didn't deserve his purse despite them being "like brothers" back in the amateurs according to Guthrie. Clearly unbeknown to Roid, Guthrie's chin turned out to be even weaker than his own.

1998; corruption reigns supreme

By '98 Roid's protected career had descended into complete farce. He began the year without any alphabet titles, finally returning to the ring again in Apr - not against the world champion but the aging ex-champion who was dominated by him in Virgil Hill who'd now been out of the ring for 14 months. After trying and failing to have Hill weigh-in on the day of the fight to limit his rehydration, Roid won via a 4th rd KO with a devastating kidney punch which caused a hairline fracture of the transverse process (a bony projection from a vertebra).

HBO was apparently now rewarding Jones for his ducking and ridiculous diva-like behaviour; he was paid a ludicrous $3.5m for the non-title bout plus a $500k signing bonus for a new soft golden HBO contract extension. Insanity.

During the Jones-Hill broadcast, HBO's Lampley would not only fail to explain to the viewers why Roid suddenly had no title but blatantly lie in claiming he had no rivals to box since Toney;

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"Absolutely laughable."

...yet in the same broadcast Roid would also give a semi-coherent explanation for his ducking. (With the benefit of hindsight try not to laugh.);

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During '98 he would also waste everyone's time playing with the idea of boxing Buster Douglas, then take Michalczewski's WBA title from old sparring partner Lou 'Honey Boy' Del Valle in a bout which Roid's infamous punch resisitance - or lack of - was first cracked, against a southpaw no less. He finished '98 defeating over matched WBO middleweight titlist Otis Grant.

Delusional Roid also sought $10m to box inactive ex-heavyweight champion Michael Moorer.

???

Somehow ending the year as faux WBC/WBA 175lb "champion", Roid obviously would've been out in the cold if not for HBO and the outright corruption of the governing bodies which got his career back on track.

 

The comeback that wasn't

In Jan '99 after Roid defeated the worst cherrypick of his career in 39 year old club fighter & full-time NYC cop Richard Frazier, Collins - apparently out of retirement - got in the ring to challenge Roid during his post-fight interview in front of Roid's hometown fans. True to form, Roid refused to even acknowledge Collins or answer Larry Merchant's question on who he'd like to box next, reacting instead by nonsensically ranting like a spoiled child.

At this point HBO's commentary was still trying to protect Roid's reputation in not revealing the truth about the Frazier cherrypick to viewers, instead falsely placing the blame on the WBC for Roid boxing such a bum. Frazier was in fact not an opponent dictated by the WBC; though Frazier was the WBC #1 ranked challenger, Jones-Frazier was not an enforced mandatory defense but a voluntary one by Jones. As per WBC rules, WBC interim champion Graciano Rocchigiani - whom Roid was blatantly avoiding - had precedence over Frazier to challenge for the WBC title and was awaiting his shot. Jones boxed Frazier because he wanted to. (WBC President Jose Sulaiman would go as far as putting out a statement denying the Frazier fight was a WBC-ordered defence.)

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Note: In the fantasy world of clueless delusional spastic Loudunce, HBO's commentary - in particular Larry Merchant - actually weren't lying to protect Roid with their false narrative but apparently "crucified him" & "hung him out to dry" for boxing Frazier. Again, absolute nonsense. The exact opposite of reality.

...Coming out of retirement Collins obviously didn't have the momentum of 1½ years earlier, had no world title, and less negotiating power & public interest in the fight (the fans were bored with 'Reluctant Roid' by now).

Still, Roid - via his attorney Stan Levin - apparently agreed to finally box Collins. 17 Apr was the scheduled date and the search for a venue began.

In a complete b*tch move, Roid then unsurprisingly backed out without even informing Collins or Levin, choosing instead to target the paper IBF 175lb strap now held by Reggie Johnson (past-prime and 2 divisions above his optimum weight) who had exposed Guthrie's china chin in Feb '98.

Roid's new douchebag promoter, Murad 'the world's most stupid man' Muhammad who was telling Roid he was worth nine figure paydays would cover for Roid & his bs when he publicly shot down any chance of a Jones-Collins bout;

Jones clash heads for KO
By Harry Mullan
15 Jan 1999

Professional boxing is a world of hidden agendas, lies and bluff, but the confusion surrounding Steve Collins' date with Roy Jones is setting new standards.

It is hard to believe that a shrewd and streetwise pragmatist like Collins, a man who has always cherished his own reputation, would run the risk of exposing himself to public ridicule by announcing the fight was on if there was any doubt about it, but if we are to believe Murad Muhammad, the American's promoter, this is precisely what has happened.

Mohammad insists that there is no question of Jones facing Collins in Las Vegas, Dublin or anywhere than in the Irishman's imagination. He refutes the support which Jones' manager, Stanley Levin, has given to the fight, and says that Levin must either have exceeded his authority to speak for the fighter, or else has been misquoted or misinterpreted.

Yet, Levin, a Florida lawyer, who gives the impression of operating on a rather higher moral plain than is customary in this business, stands by his word. There is clearly a split in the ranks, and one possibly significant aspect of the affair is that Mohammad is trying to steer Jones into a light-heavyweight championship unification match with IBF title holder, Reggie Johnson. Jones already holds the WBC and WBA versions.

When Johnson beat Collins for the middleweight title in New Jersey a few years ago, Mohammad was involved as Johnson's representative. Their current relationship is unknown, but the cynical viewpoint, which is often the most accurate and rewarding, could be that he is pushing for the Jones v Johnson match with the tempting prospect of earning from it in both capacities, as promoter and through his "piece" of Johnson, if he has such an arrangement.

Such deals, known as double dipping, are commonplace in American boxing circles.

The American press reported the announcement that the Collins fight is on, but without any comment from Jones or Mohammad.

The match would have a degree of credibility in America, where Collins is still well remembered and accorded more respect than most European fighters are accustomed to receiving over there.

Jones is known to be growing increasingly bored with the lack of challenges on offer for him, and whatever doubts about the Collins match there may be in the Florida camp, they are unlikely to be coming from the man himself. As always, though, the money men will have the last word. If Jones' TV backers at HBO want the fight it will happen: if they don't, Collins faces the prospect of an excruciatingly embarrassing public climb down.

The latter may still be the case.

HBO chief, Lou Dibella, last night insisted there had been no contact between himself and either the Collins or Jones camp on the possibility of a fight.

Dibella, who as chief of the network to which Jones is contracted, would have to okay such a deal, said in a telephone conference: "There would be little or no interest in Collins v Jones in America. Collins has not fought in a year and a half and although he was a very good champion there would not be a great deal of interest in him in America at the moment. If he wants to fight someone else before Roy Jones then interest may pick up.

"I would like to see Collins fight Joe Calzaghe, who holds Collins' former super middleweight crown. Calzaghe is an exciting fighter, whom we have earmarked to fight Roy Jones at some stage. At the moment Reggie Johnson, the IBF light heavyweight champion, is the one who I feel most deserves a shot at Jones. However, if Collins was to fight Calzaghe possibly on a Jones undercard, then the winner could meet Jones in their next contest," said Dibella.

The likelihood of Collins fighting anyone but Jones is slim, given that he has consistently said that he would only come out of retirement to meet Jones. Dibella said he had spoken to Murad Muhamad, but had not had any contact with either Collins or his solicitor, Brian Delahunt, when they were in Florida last weekend.

Collins' solicitor, Delahunt, said yesterday that he had been talking with Stanley Levin, Jones' attorney, regarding the contest, and that negotiations had been taking place between those two.

On the possibility of Jones and Collins, he said there would be no further announcements until negotiations took place between Jones' camp and Collins' camp with HBO.

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After defeating Johnson, Roid would now spuriously call himself the "undisputed champion".

"Absolutely laughable."

...Giving up on an immediate match with Reluctant Roid yet still having the itch to fight, Collins - as DiBella suggested - turned his attention to WBO 168lb titlist Calzaghe with the winner hoping to box Jones. However, in May '99 Collins collapsed while sparring middleweight Howard 'The Battersea Bomber' Eastman for a warm-up fight before Calzaghe, putting an end to his comeback and talk of a Jones-Collins matchup - for another 13-14 years at least. Of course Roid would p*ssy out of boxing Calzaghe in late 2000 anyway after declaring he was "definitely moving back down to 168lbs" in Sep.

Note: Yet another lie from the fat deluded creep;

Collins wasn't interested?? CLOWN.

 

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After the 90s were over, the HBO bosses had belatedly gotten wise to Roid Jones and were growing tired with the cherrypicking Jones - after deliberately pricing himself out or flatout refusing offers for real fights - now hiding firmly behind the fake mandatory defences of his meaningless paper ABC titles excuse (e.g. Frazier & Richard Hall) in order to avoid the real challenges, in particular his refusal to challenge world light-heavyweight champion Dariusz Michalczewski.

This excuse was again particularly bogus considering how Roid swerved WBC #1 challenger Nunn, WBC interim champion Rochigianni, and embarrassingly wrote letters to the IBF in order to duck their #1 challenger Antonio 'Milkdud' Tarver then dropped his IBF strap altogether when Tarver returned to the #1 spot in '02; moves that would eventually come back to take his soul. LOL.

HBO's senior vice-president Lou DiBella was the first to speak out ahead of quitting HBO altogether in Apr 2000 to go on his own with a few select boxers, partly due to having to deal with Roid's bs which was making a mockery of the matchmaking standards which DiBella had previously worked hard to set for the network;

At HBO, DiBella tossing in towel
NY Daily News
12 Apr 2000

It's no secret that the outspoken super matchmaker for HBO has grown weary of all the backbiting, backstabbing and all-around good clean fun that makes the sport the last untamed frontier in American free enterprise.

At a recent legal seminar at Seton Hall Law School in Newark, DiBella took a shot at the May 13 bout between Roy Jones Jr. and Richard Hall, which will be broadcast on his own network, calling the bout a terrible mismatch and lousy television. "The May 13 fight we're putting on is garbage," DiBella said. "We're putting it on because Roy Jones wants to fight and he doesn't want to give up the belts. I have opponent approval, but I don't have the power to make him give up the belts if he turns down a mandatory."

Roid himself would laughably pretend he was reluctant to defend his meaningless paper ABC straps against his mandatory bums (when in reality he was more than happy to) and even suggested he may do the right thing and give up the belts if this cr@p continues;

Jones-HBO tussle steals show
Dan Rafael, USA TODAY
11 May 2000

"If they keep forcing me into these kind of fights, I may give up the titles," Jones says. "I remember when you had to prove yourself to be No. 1. Now guys show up No. 1 because of a promoter."

"I want to have one or two more defenses of the undisputed title, and then maybe I'll give them up. I've tried to live by the rules, but the organizations keep coming at you, making these title fights for no reason."

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Drop his paper straps??

If he would be boxing the likes of Hall, Frazier, or Glen Kelly? No.

To duck a difficult southpaw in Nunn, Rochigianni, or Tarver? Yes - which is exactly what he did.

After Jones vs Hall (the infamous steroids fight), Seth Abraham would then admit to the farcical situation he had created with Roid hiding behind the tired "mandatory title defences" reason as his prime excuse for the ducking & cherrypicking;

Jones Mauls Hall
New York Times
16 May 2000

"The referee ought to be pistol-whipped for allowing that to go on." An excessive punishment, but Merchant would not have said it if Jones did not insist on fighting mandatory challengers whom talent bypassed. Last year, he dispatched an embarrassing mandatory, Richard Frazier, the World Boxing Council's No. 1 contender, in the second round. Hall was the World Boxing Association's top contender. And Jones is looking to face the International Boxing Federation's highest-ranked challenger, to be chosen from the winner of the little-anticipated Antonio Tarver-Eric Harding bout.

But Jones does not want to lose any of his belts and HBO cannot force him to surrender a belt.

''It's maddening,'' said Seth Abraham, the president of Time Warner Sports. ''For Roy, the belts represent a level of status that we don't hear from Lennox Lewis, Oscar De La Hoya and Naseem Hamed.''

Technically, HBO could pay Jones his millions and not televise a gross mismatch, Abraham said, ''but if we didn't, we'd open ourselves up to a breach of contract lawsuit.''

Only one fight remains on Jones's HBO contract. The fight must be on TVKO pay-per-view, for which Jones is guaranteed no money. And he will face Tarver or Harding, unless he wants to lose his I.B.F. belt.

''Roy will earn whatever the public thinks that fight is worth,'' Abraham said. Which won't be much. Jones's pay-per-view appeal has been compromised by the weak light-heavyweight division. Even Jones's talent can't make up for a mismatch when fans are asked to pay $40 or $50.

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

And if you're wondering why the f*ck Michalczewski was rarely heard of on HBO, after the Hall fight in May '00 Larry Merchant would admit on Pedro Fernandez's Ringtalk online radio show that Roid went as far as to specifically ask the HBO commentary not to even mention Michalczewski's name during their broadcasts. Pathetic.

...Jones-Harding would predictably sell poorly on ppv, with the deluded greedy Jones reportedly losing millions after taking Murad Muhammad's unbelievably dumb advice to decline HBO's massive $4.2m flat fee offer for the garbage Harding ppv to gamble on the buy rate instead, resulting in Roid getting mad and giving him the boot;

Roy Jones, Jr. Break With Murad Muhammad Near
By Thomas Hauser
12 Sep 2000

Roy Jones, Jr. hasn't suffered many beatings in the ring during his boxing career, but he took a bad one last Saturday night. Preliminary figures confirm that, as expected, the world's best fighter will be out-of-pocket between $1,000,000 and $2,000,000 in conjunction with the New Orleans fight card promoted by Murad Muhammad. At Muhammad's urging, Jones was the card's primary financial backer. Add to that the $4,200,000 that Jones would have received had he ignored Muhammad's advice and accepted a flat rights fee from HBO, and there's a swing well in excess of $5,000,000.

Jones is also reportedly angered by what he considers poor treatment of his family at the fight site. And he is starting to focus on allegations that Muhammad has improperly taken $1,000,000 in revenue from previous Roy Jones fights.

"It should unravel quickly for Murad," a source close to the champion said on Monday night. "In all likelihood, he'll be out within a week."

...With DiBella gone after HBO's contract with Roid expired, Abraham - knowing full well HBO could end up locked into the same situation given Roid's well-documented reluctance - incredibly managed to f*ck up on an epic scale when he somehow deluded himself into re-signing Roid to another soft, even more ridiculous contract which was wide open to abuse in late 2000 just before Abraham left the company, allowing the already-overpaid Roid to blackmail HBO late in the negotiations into increasing his guaranteed license fees to box cherrypicked opposition despite Roid still not being able to draw flies and HBO bidding against nobody but themselves. Mind boggling. (Practically all web links which covered the negotiations seem to be dead.)

Note: Lying spastic Loudunce's invented fantasy version of reality;

Totally clueless.

 

...continued;

Obviously Roid was more than happy to abuse such a contract, and - after incredibly bypassing opportunities to box the best fighters at 175lbs, 168lbs, and 160lbs in Michalczewski, Calzaghe, and Hopkins by finding a way out of each fight (i.e. blatantly ducking) - would predictably settle straight back into his usual routine by defending his paper ABC straps against second rater Derrick Harmon in Feb '01. And so it continued.

All three were potential career-best wins. An infuriated Hopkins, now represented by DiBella who stated "Our attitude is Roy Jones doesn't want the fight", would resort to posting an open letter to Roid online after Roid deliberately killed their rematch (with laughable rubbermatch stipulations) as soon as he'd secured the HBO deal.

Abraham wouldn't explain his ludicrous decisions until after HBO had finally gotten rid of Jones in 2005.

The farce only got worse; before Roid's bout with another full-time public servant mandatory bum in Glen 'The Garbage Man' Kelly (yes, really) in Feb '02, The Ring magazine would instantly destroy the credibility of their championship belt upon its re-introduction when they embarrassingly awarded Jones their light-heavyweight strap despite Michalczewski still being the world champion in the same f*cking division.

"Absolutely laughable."

Then after belatedly creating a new "championship policy" for their belt, The Ring editor and current chairman of the Roid Jones Fan Club, the useless Nigel Collins, actually acknowledged in Sep '02 that if their championship policy was in place in 1997, Michalczewski "probably would have been The Ring Champion." What a f*ck up.

...When Roid chose to box Clinton Woods in Jun 2002 in yet another mis-mandatory rather than challenge IBF cruiserweight titlist Vassiliy Jirov (whom HBO wanted Roid to box), HBO would give up on Roid altogether. Even HBO's Mark Taffet and clown company man Kerry Davis - Roid's biggest cheerleader f@g who'd lied for him in the past - would reluctantly start to admit the truth and talk sense;

HBO Holding Off on July 13 Date for Jones-Woods
m*xboxing.com
03 May 2002

With the announcement yesterday that Roy Jones had decided to take on his WBC mandatory Clinton Woods as his next opponent, bypassing IBF cruiserweight titlist Vassiliy Jirov, the online petitions had begun to circulate, message boards were buzzing all across boxing forums and a web picket line was already developing for July 13th. The 'Roy-cott' was in full force, as boxing fans vowed not to shell out their hard earned bucks for Jones' latest mis-mandatory.

"Roy Jones versus Clinton Woods on July 13th on pay-per-view is not a viable alternative," Mark Taffet, of HBO Sports and HBO Pay-Per-View, told MaxBoxing.com

The HBO brass, once the undisputed light heavyweight champion's staunchest defenders, are now not so willing to defend Jones, with whom they have an exclusive multi-bout contract. Taffet wasn't completely shocked by the turn of events.

"We're more disappointed than we are surprised," said Taffet. "We're very disappointed because we've been working very hard to try and present Roy with a number of alternatives and to work with him constructively on alternatives which we think support and enhance his legacy in the sport. And we're disappointed in the choice of Clinton Woods."

Woods is another in a long list of lightly regarded mandatory defenses that Jones has faced since unifying the light heavyweight division in 1999. HBO simply has no choice but to accept Woods (who's biggest win to date is a win over Yawe Davis) because he fit the criteria set in Jones' contract, which states that any opponent he chooses must be rated in the top 10 by 'The Ring' or 'the Boxing Digest' magazine rankings.

So is there any hope that Jones will step up to the plate and face a Bernard Hopkins, Dariusz Michalczewski or Jirov before he rides off into the Pensacola sunset? Who knows? The onus is on Jones, and Kery Davis of HBO feels that the time is now and that Jones owes it to the paying public.

"The one thing I wish Roy would consider more is what the fans want to see," said Davis, one of Jones' biggest advocates. "And I know he's in a situation with Woods where he wants to protect his belt but it's still the fans who pay the bills and help him make the money he makes.

"Certainly, there's a time for particular fights, he's coming off fights against Derrick Harmon, Julio Gonzalez and Glen Kelly. There's a time for a big fight for a fighter like Roy and the fans desperately want to see that. We desperately want to give the fans what they want and it's unfortunate that he's not considering that more."

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"Roy Jones plays the mandatory game to perfection, the latest being his title defense against the WBC’s number one light-heavyweight contender Clinton Woods. These type of mandatory fights have enabled Jones to avoid the more serious ones, the matches the public really wants to see. When Jones starts to get criticized for not taking on sterner opposition, he deflects it by saying that if he did not box his mandatory challengers he would then be stripped of his titles."
- Jack Hirsch, S*condsO*t.com, 2002

It gets better; before the Woods fight, HBO Sports' Xavier James would then further publicly expose Roid's ducking & cherrypicking scam for what it was, and state - with the deluded Senile Seth gone - that HBO would now go as far as restructuring their whole contracts to protect themselves from ending up trapped in a contract with a cherrypicking ducker like Jones again;

Clinton Woods? Jones should breeze yet again
espn via MaxBoxing
03 Jun 2002

...the tool of a fighter (Roy Jones) who continues to take advantage of a contract that allows him to maximize his earning potential while eliminating his risk.

Hey, it's a great gig for Jones, keep collecting these $4 to $5 million licensing fees while taking on the likes of Woods.

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They are making no bones about it, Jones-Woods is being aired on their network -- not because they want to, but because they have to.

"Our attitude is we're reluctantly airing it," admits Xavier James of HBO Sports. "The bottom line here is I don't know how Clinton Woods became a top 10 light heavyweight and I prefer not to telecast it. But, contractually, we have very little latitude in that regard. As far as I'm concerned, I'd prefer Roy to fight a more competitive fight."

So how many more Glen Kelly and Woods fights can we expect in the future?

"It depends on how long Roy wants to fight and it depends on his perspective during the remainder of his career," James said.

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I want to get to a point where titles are completely irrelevant."

Barrera, in the last year or so, has taken on the likes of Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales and is scheduled to take on Johnny Tapia in November 2nd.

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However, it has fattened Jones' pocketbook at Time Warner's expense, but James says that his company is changing it's philosophy in that regard to make sure fighters they sign to multi-fight agreements don't take advantage of them.

"We've already changed that contractual philosophy and going forward we will have much more contractual latitude to not accept a non-competitive fight," James said. "In our last two multi-fight negotiations, Barrera, and currently with Vernon Forrest, we make it clear to the other side that at the end of the day, we want the best match-ups in the world. We pay a premium for it, we don't pay a premium to maintain his belt by fighting some guy we never heard off. That's not good programming and that's not getting our money's worth.

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Call it 'the Roid Jones Rule'.

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...continued;

"Perhaps HBO's biggest mistake is in believing anything that comes out of Jones' mouth. Jones, if anything, has proven to be as big a double-talker and hypocrite as there is in boxing."
- Steve Kim, M*xboxing, Jun 2002

Note: Of course, Roid Jones' most clueless, deluded fanboy f@g is yet again too dumb to see the obvious reality and denies Roid even abused his HBO contract so he constantly could duck & cherrypick. LOL;

...With HBO's unconditional backing, Roid was the one boxer who could afford to dump all his meaningless paper ABC straps to pursue the biggest fights against the best opposition back then - if he wanted to. HBO clearly wanted him to. And he would've been lauded for it, as were Roid's Glass Jaw Breakers Antonio Tarver & Glen Johnson when they both dumped their ABC straps ahead of their bout in Dec '04. But Roid wouldn't; because those ABC straps and "mandatory" defences were the exact excuses he hid behind to avoid the toughest fights. DiBella, Abraham, & James f*cking spelled it out.

Note: Again, Fat Robert aka Loudunce is simply too dumb & deluded to even comprehend this obvious scenario as it doesn't fit into his fantasy world and kills his fake fanboy denials. So he just denies it;

LMFAO. Rationalizing delusions and lies...with delusions and lies.

The charade was made only more farcical by the fact that no one knowledgeable ever respected Roid's bogus light-heavyweight straps given Michalczewski was the true Lineal/WBA/WBO/IBF and ultimately the 'world' light-heavyweight champion (he would also defeat the rightful WBC title holder in Apr 2000).

Roid was the epitome of a paper champion.

Note: Clueless fanboy Loudunce view; "Roy was the man because he held all the titles."

LOL. F*cking clueless.

Of course, there was one catch in Roid's contract; if he lost, HBO could legally tear up his contract if they wanted to, which further explains Roid's overly cautious cherrypicking.

2003; what goes around

Previously covered in this series, Roid - unquestionably the worst cherrypicking ducker of his era by this point - would be soaked in disgrace and further lose any credibility after the lawsuit ruling regarding the Double-Duck scandal was made public, quickly followed by Roid being exposed as a steroids cheat.

As far as I'm aware there's nothing that links Roid Jones to the BALCO scandal, though Roid's sudden dramatic physical decline directly coincides with USADA going public about the doping conspiracy in Oct '03, so it's possible Roid stopped taking the PEDS altogether due to the bad press after overdoing it when he juiced up to around 195lbs to box John Ruiz in Mar '03, then - after backing himself into a corner at heavyweight with his usual shenanigans - thought he could just drop the extra muscle and make 175lbs again with no adverse effects.

Either way he'd soon be on the scrap heap; Roid's humiliating downfall in 2004 really needs no comment.

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As stated, it wasn't until after HBO got rid of Roid altogether after his commentator contract ended in 2005 that Seth Abraham would completely expose Roid, finally admitting Roid was a cherrypicking ducker, admit Roid received special treatment, and confess that the ludicrous contracts were a huge mistake. Straight from the horses mouth;

What is Roy Jones' Legacy?
Bernard Fernandez
05 Nov 2008

In April 2006, when Jones was mulling whether he would fight again, I asked former HBO Sports president Seth Abraham for his thoughts on this enigma wrapped in a riddle.

“His drive was to do things that were of interest to him, but not necessarily to fight the very best middleweights, super middleweights and light heavyweights who were out there,” Abraham responded. “I think Roy’s legacy in the sport absolutely will suffer because he chose not to do everything he could to make himself as great as he might have been.”

Stubborn Jones still believes
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"One of my self-appointed assignments before I left HBO was to re-sign Roy to a new, multifight deal," Abraham remembers. "I had started passing everything over to Ross Greenburg (who would succeed Abraham), but I wanted to go out with trumpets and flourishes. I made it a personal priority to lock up Roy. All the other fighters HBO wanted, except Roy, were signed to long-term contracts.

I went down to Pensacola and spent the day with Roy. We talked about boxing, we talked about his three sons, we talked about pretty much everything. One of the things I took away from that day with Roy - the Levins (Jones advisers Fred and Stanley Levin) were not there - was that nothing was going to change. But I still felt that, even if he was not our No. 1 draw (Oscar De La Hoya was and is HBO's premier profit magnet), he was the very best fighter in the world.

I was probably a little too lenient in giving him the contract that I did. In retrospect, I wish I had taken a harder line with him. But he was such a special talent, I made an exception. We didn't apply the same standards for him that we did for other fighters. I thought once Roy had the financial security he wanted, somewhere in him would be this desire to prove that he was up there with Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali and Ray Robinson as one of the all-time greats."

Abraham sighs, the regret in his voice evident. He bagged his quarry, but he couldn't ignite the spark in Jones he had hoped for.

Some blame Jones' fear of ending up like his friend, former WBC middleweight champion Gerald McClellan, who will spend the rest of his life in darkness after a Feb. 25, 1995, fight with Nigel Benn in London left him blind and brain-damaged. Some believe it's the lucrative contract he signed with HBO in the closing months of Abraham's watch that allowed him to fight who he wanted, not the higher-caliber opponents the pay-cable giant would have preferred.

Abraham believes both theories are valid, and he admits to some degree of culpability by serving as Jones' enabler.

"He's very direct about that," Abraham says of Jones' nightmares of ending up in a wheelchair, like McClellan. "I've heard him say, 'No Nigel Benn is going to do that to me.'

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"But you know what? No one (in the HBO hierarchy) objected to the contract. It's not like I overruled people. I think we all agreed that we did not want the best fighter in the world on another network, or freelancing. Maybe I should have let Ross make the decision. Maybe I should have said to him, "You're going to have to live with this, you make the call. What do you want to do?? But I didn't do that."

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HBO Boxing: The Challenge
By Thomas Hauser
?? ??? 2007

Things didn't always go smoothly.

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Lou DiBella was a senior vice president under Abraham. "There was sometimes tension between Lou and me," Seth recalls. "But Lou also had more influence with me than the other members of the team. Lou's philosophy was that HBO should make the best fights possible and that all the rest was nonsense. He and I disagreed on many things. But one of the good things that Lou did was that he was always pushing me, aggressively pushing me, to make HBO Boxing better.

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...continued;

You read that right; Roid didn't even hide his true intentions to Abraham yet he chose to delude himself into believing Roid would somehow change. What a senile old fool.

Had DiBella still been at HBO in late 2000, maybe he could've talked some sense into Abraham and told Roid to f*ck off. Who else was going to grossly overpay Roid for his garbage mandatories or tolerate his behaviour??

...Most embarrassingly, Roid would give a final bizarre, previously unheard-of reason for avoiding the best opposition;

Asked why his resume does not include some names that should be on it, Jones said, “I had my reasons for doing what I was doing. I made (boxing) so delightful that you didn’t need to watch me fight another 'name' fighter. I could fight anybody.

???

...Back to the Collins duck; ahead of Roid's gift opportunity against Joe Calzaghe on HBO ppv in 2008, HOF trainer Freddy Roach would also confirm Jones avoided his super-middleweight rivals Collins & Liles;

Calzaghe-Jones and an era in judgment
By Eric Raskin
14 Jul 2008

Trainer Freddie Roach, who has worked with such elite modern fighters as Hopkins and Manny Pacquiao, is one observer who doesn't believe a Jones win over Calzaghe is enough to elevate him above his peers, largely because Jones was reluctant to face some of his most dangerous foes during his prime.

"I always felt he ducked some fighters out there," Roach told ESPN.com. "When he was at super middleweight, both Frankie Liles and Steve Collins, two fighters I trained who had world titles -- they both wanted to fight him but he wouldn't fight either of them. I mean, probably Roy Jones would have beaten them, but Frankie did beat him twice in the amateurs, so you never know. At super middleweight, Jones never tried to unify the titles, and that really made me not such a Roy Jones fan, to be honest. To be known as the best, I think you need to beat everybody."

In a 2013 podcast, Liles, now a trainer and one of the most down-to-earth, honest, and respected people in boxing, K-1, & mma - i.e. literally the exact opposite of Roid Jones - also mentioned Roid's refusal to box him. (Loudunce's lies about Roid trying to fight Liles - which contradict his own f*cking Don King excuse - have already been completely debunked in other threads by general zod);

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...Roid's 50/50 purse split with Calzaghe - a deal which Calzaghe's former promoter Allegedly stated he could've easily tipped in Calzaghe's favour - was obviously something shameless Roid would've never dreamed of sharing in his prime. However, Calzaghe didn't possess anywhere near the greed or arrogance Roid did.

Note: The deluded Loudunce fanboy narrative;

LOL. That 12 round b*tch-slapping Calzaghe gave Roid must still hurt...

And in another interview before the Calzaghe bout, Roid admits he could've made any fight yet when put on the spot regarding Collins he backtracks instantly. LOL;

I didn't expect a white ass motherf*cker in here
Sunday Tribune
28 Sep 2008

Was it the case too that you couldn’t get a fight?

“I could get all the fights I want. That’s no problem. There are always guys out there.”

Like Steve Collins?

“Well, I don’t know about that.”

You know him right?

“I heard him talking a little bit.”

About wanting to fight you?

“Yeah.”

And you never took him up on it?

“I ain’t wasting my time coming all the way over there to see him, to fight him. He talked all he wanted but if he wanted to fight Roy Jones jnr, then he comes, he takes time out, he asks me. Not the other way around. That’s not the way it works.”

This is exactly what Collins did. Roid's excuses are literally nonsensical.

His comments are worthless. There's just no truth or logic in any of Roid's excuses. He's a proven pathological liar and his word means nothing.

Out of all the big fights Roid avoided, Collins was the easiest to make, and a victory over Collins was potentially Roid's second-best career win. Yet Roid still wouldn't take it.

That "speaks volumes".

For some reason HBO eventually gave the now-broke Roid - an embarrassment to the sport by this point - a financial lifeline and eventually hired him as a commentator again in 2011. Mystifying.

2013; Full Circle

The criticism for Roid's ducking & cherrypicking obviously never went away and by 2013 the talk came back to a Steve Collins fight after a Dec 2012 interview with ATG Radio in which Collins spoke of his disappointment in being ducked by Roid;

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A prickly faux-incredulous Roid would apparently respond with a typical empty rant. Unfortunately for Roid, Collins will never let him get away with running his mouth;

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Facile talk of a Collins-Jones seniors matchup would then begin to make headlines.

...During Sky Sports' Gloves Are Off super-middleweight episode in May 2013, Roid then made viewers cringe when he blurted out a brand new excuse for ducking Collins;

Claiming the exact opposite of reality, compulsive liar Roid stated "I was a giver. If you wanted it, I gave it to you. He [Collins] say he want it. What am I supposed to do, run? That's not in me (chuckles).", nonsensical rhetoric which Collins immediately called him out on, asking Roid then why didn't the fight ever happen between 89-99 and clearly stating in plain f*cking English "you were the one who could've make the decision for it to happen.", which Roid didn't disagree with.

Seemingly forgetting about his "7 figure offer" lie to Collins, Roid replied by bizzarely giving an absurd new excuse for ducking Collins in the form of Collins "having an issue with Reggie Johnson." LOL. WTF? Even Collins was thrown off by such a nonsensical excuse (timestamped);

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"Absolutely laughable."

...The only time Roid was ever a "giver" was when his spindly featherweight butt-buddy Derrick 'Ass Smoke' Gainer was bent over infront of him.

Note: Upon seeing how this absurd new excuse completely contradicts and exposes the "7 figures" nonsense as a lie, sh*t-for-brains dishonest fanboy Fat Robert embarrassingly invented his own pathetic explanation [lie] off the top of his head to hopelessly try and rationalize Roid's lies and reconcile the Loudunce Fantasy World with reality;

"Absolutely laughable."

No, Roid didn't make a mistake.

No, he didn't rectify it at a later date.

You just made that up you f*cking clown.

And even if he did mean to say Calzaghe - which he obviously didn't - that would make no f*cking sense either.

As usual, Roid simply lied through his teeth.

In fact Roid lied his way through that whole episode.

This stuff literally has to be spelled out to Loudunce. Over and over. For years. And still he can't get it through his thick skull. He really is that f*cking dumb & deluded. A complete waste of time - only worth ridiculing and bullying.

...As always, Roid again priced himself out of a Collins fight by parroting his usual rhetoric of wanting an unrealistic payday to "make it worth my time" etc...whilst boxing for the Mickey Mouse "World Boxing Union" (German Version) title in Eastern Europe.

At the end of a Sky Sports News interview which has disappeared from YouTube, Collins admitted it wasn't going to happen and the talk eventually fizzled out.

 

The Aftermath: A reputation in tatters

Roid's prime was one tedious ugly tangled mess of lies, corruption, ducking & cherrypicking, and for Roid, blind luck - yet still the wheels eventually came off in spectacular fashion.

Rest assured, via the RoidWatch project, and in classic Team Elite™ fashion, I will dissect the mess and unravel the truth to continue to prove what a lying ducking PED cheat Roid Jones was and f*cking destroy any delusional false fanboy denial.

In reality, if two champions or big-name fighters both want to box each other, the fight will happen (e.g. Fury vs Wilder) - and Roid could've made the fights with every one of the fighters he ducked, yet he chose not to. Fact. Nothing can change that.

Great fighters take risks to try and build a great legacy. Roid refused to take risks, hence he's left with a good yet severely PED-tainted resume and no legacy other than controversy and a bunch of paper ABC straps.

Despite collecting said bunch of trinkets, he was never the champion in any division he ever competed in. That "speaks volumes."

A true fighter and a true champion in Roid's position would've demanded to challenge the best opposition anywhere and called their bluff.

But Roid was no fighter and no champion; he never risked even calling anyone's bluff.

"I'm a businessman first, a boxer second."...unfortunately Roid was a sh*tty businessman.

Even the HBO bosses got so sick of Roid that they all eventually threw him under the bus. Roid's ducking & cherrypicking was the exact reason why HBO put a permanent end to those ridiculously soft contracts.

...It goes without saying that this should all be academic as Roid should've been banned from boxing due to steroid use.

While Roid's weak chin raises serious questions and the ducking speaks for itself, being exposed as a PED cheat absolutely kills his credibility as with his ufc namesake and fellow pathological liar Jon Jones. (Overseas PED tests were obviously part of the reason Roid refused to travel during his prime.)

Roid's case was even worse than Jon's; unlike Roid, Jon didn't have a weak chin and didn't duck the most dangerous opposition.

...Even in 2018 Roid is still coming out with some absolute whoppers;

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Steroids cheat, cherrypicking ducker, and pathological liar Roid '7 titles' Jones yet again blatantly lies, about HBO making an imaginary $5m offer to world light-heavyweight champion Dariusz Michalczewski to box Jones in America. The truth is Michalczewski had no problem traveling to America (and there's nothing to suggest otherwise), yet Jones never made one single offer to box Michalczewski. It was the exact opposite; Roid refused all offers to box Michalczewski in Germany. Fact.

Roid then foolishly brings up an old Michalczewski losing to Gonzalez (a decision which Michalczewski deserved to win), then claims he'd probably lose a decision in Germany yet fails to mention U.S. judging against foreign boxers. Double standards? Clearly Roid hasn't even seen Michalczewski-Gonzalez, or Maske-Hill, & Eubank-Rocchigiani.

Finally, going full circle and inadvertently confirming he ducked Michalczewski altogether, Roid openly admits to pricing himself out of challenging Michalczewski in Germany.

...not to mention he would've first had to get off the PEDs to pass an overseas drug test.

This stuff will overshadow Jones' reputation forever.

Ole Roid is just a gift that keeps on giving. He should try stand up comedy.

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Anyone with half a brain could understand what Roid's fanboys (i.e. Loudunce & GIMPerial1) are unable to comprehend. They're simply not equipt to see reality. A study in the combined result of low intellect, mental disorders, and complete delusion...i.e. the perfect punchbags.

While my other two main punchbags GIMPerial1 & Mind Reader have long-since given up hopelessly trying to defend Roid Jones, Roid's worst fangirl Fat Robert remains as deluded as ever.

I dont know how the f*ck he can still even post on this forum after all the embarrassing absolute nonsense he's posted and had proven wrong over the years. There's no doubt the internet is his only outlet.

Even online I don't know how anyone can resist bullying such an absolute f*cking spastic.

He has to ignore all of Roid's countless proven lies...then just endlessly lies himself to create the alternative Loudunce Fantasy World. A complete laughing stock.

...replying to practically every post about Roid Jones and always refering to him as "Roy" as though he knows him personally whilst trying to pass off what he imagines (hopes) "Roy" is thinking as irrefutable facts is the creepiest thing you'll ever see on a forum.

Like a flat earther or conspiracy nut, his "opinions" are worthless; all he has is his delusions - and the more he's proven wrong with facts and reality, the further he retreats into his fantasy world and the more deluded he becomes. Stuck in his cycle of delusion forever.

The irrelevant clueless internet forum loser genuinely believes reality is the myth and that he somehow knows better than anyone else - including the HBO bosses. Tragic.

Being a useless fat sh*t obviously must be partly due to the side effects of whichever meds the f@g is on.

More hilarious quotes from Roid's most deluded fanboy;

"It wasn't all down to Roy. He wasn't some sort of serial ducker."<--- LOL.

"There was no cherry picking. It's a myth." <--- HAHAHAHA

"Joe would never have fought Roy at his peak. He knew how dangerous he was." <--- LMFAO. That's why ROID was the one who backed out of their fight.

"I've debunked the myth that Roy was happy fighting low level mandatories on his HBO contract."

"I've been a member on here for over 6 years now. And in that time I've completely busted the myth that Roy chose the path of least resistance. He really didn't."

ROFL...DELUSIONAL. "completely busted the myth" HAHAHAHA. The reality is the exact opposite; Roid has repeatedly been proven to be a pathological liar and the biggest cherrypicking ducker of his era - and a PED cheat. The Roid Jones fanclub have lost every debate and had their fanboy delusions completely shattered.

"If you want to determine what is or isn't an excuse, then do some research like I have." <--- LOL. This clown simply doesn't have the intelligence to do any research of his own - and even if he did, he'd just ignore whatever proves him wrong.

"Guys like Dariusz, Hopkins and Liles wouldn't fight him." <--- LMFAO. As I said, literally everything he will ever post on this subject is just utter, utter b0ll0cks. The biggest load of sh*t you'll ever read.

Delusion upon delusion.

...I'm sure there are countless more cringe-inducing delusional quotes posted by Fat Robert which I could pull up. He's a running joke.

Imagine how much more nonsense he would have posted If I could ever be bothered wasting my time humouring the clueless spastic. There would be endless pages of it to laugh at.

Like the delusional GIMPerial1, Loudunce also genuinely seems too stupid to even understand anything that doesn't fit into his fantasy world, e.g. reality.

The f*cking spastic thinks exposing the truth is a "campaign of hate". Absolute nonsense. As usual.

You can tell by the tone of people's posts that they're embarrassed for Fat Robert. I don't even pity the sad c*nt

Even a politician wouldn't dare make up as many ret@rded nonsensical excuses for Roid Jones than this pompous p*ssy. They'd be f*cking sectioned. Yet it's been his full-time occupation for at least 6 years. What a creepy f*cking loser. Tragic. I bet Fat Robert is also an ugly c*nt who stinks.

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And if he ever mentions my name in any of his sh*t posts again I'll punch his fat autistic face inside out.

Just think - if only Loudunce & Roid's other fangirls had the sense to stay quiet, exposing the ugly truth about Roid Jones probably wouldn't have been necessary.

They must have assumed it was merely a coincidence that Roid Jones somehow didn't box the KO punchers or tall rangey southpaws during his prime.

...The truth must hurt the fans who either spent their teenage years innocently watching Roid in awe during his prime or later discovered him via sh*tty pixelated amateurish YouTube highlight videos. Ignorance was bliss.

But to those who always suspected the truth...it's a beautiful thing.

You know what's coming next;

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Previous Flashback pieces;

Roid Jones, Jr: The Nunn-Rocchigiani-WBC Scandal
Roid Jones, Jr: The Steroid Scandal

 

Canelo is protected? What madman holds that opinion? You could say he’s been looked after by judges, but he’s taken risky fight after risky fight. A green Canelo fights Floyd, he fights Lara, Golovkin etc.?

 

Josephine,


You can spam the board all you like.

NONE of that REFUTES what I wrote last night.

None of it.


Posting stuff about Gerald, Benn, Bradley, Toney, Sanders and Balco etc, isn’t relevant.

Now if you promised to try and act like a human being, I might consider debating these points at some stage.


Regarding HBO, whenever they’ve said anything negative towards Roy, you’re all over it like a rash. You jump straight on it.

Yet whenever I post positive things that they’ve said, you label them as all being complete liars.

So:

They’re a credible source for you, yet they aren’t for me.

Now I can also show you links from DeBella, Davis, Taffet and Abraham etc, that all support Roy and back up what I’ve said.

Yet if I posted them, you’d just dismiss them.


Your posts are all over the place jumping from 1995 to 2003.

It’s a wonder that you’ve not had a heart attack posting all of that.


Now let’s get back on topic.

Once again, NONE of what you’ve posted refutes what I said last night.

So until you can refute what I’ve said about the timelines, the offers, the retirements and DeBella’s comments etc, I’m just going to sit back and enjoy the show.

 

Wasn't this thread about Otkke?

You see this was my point...you took pages trying to dump on Joe's career but then when the same is applied to the fighter that your championing the same can be applied.
This can be played with nearly all fighters so then the question is. What is the point?
Your entitled to your opinion but it's difficult to see it as anything other than a campaign by yourself because of your persistance and longeveity of the same.
It isn't healthy behaviour to obsess for so long on one thing. A side effect is asserting opinion as fact and that isn't how things work at all.

 

It was.

Is there anything you’d like to add?

Ottke was actually better than what I first thought.

He was very technical.

The Reid fight leaves a sour taste though.

Who do you think would have won between him and Joe?

Regarding the rest of your post, of course you can look negatively at anyone’s career. But there’s a world of difference between praising someone for some things and then criticising them for others things, compared to what’s happened here with with a mentally ill lunatic spamming the thread with pure hate.