Sven Ottke Most Protected Fighter?

TRANSLATION: Loudunce is hopelessly unable to even attempt to refute my devastating posts which destroy his arguments and is instead ludicrously claiming - as a hilarious attempt at a defense - that my facts and logic haven't even refuted his stupid obvious lies & denials in the first place.



Only in the Loudunce Fantasy World!

LMFAO. My posts literally COMPLETELY REFUTES your pitiful nonsensical attempts to deny Roid ducked Collins. FACT.

All you posted is literally a repeat of your initial stupid lies & bs which I already completely debunked when I originally posted my thread in 2018. Jesus Christ, you're beyond stupid. Way beyond.

I literally proved you wrong and COMPLETELY THOROUGHLY DESTROYED your stupid lies & delusions throughout the whole thread. FACT. A child could see it.

That's why - despite being Roid's most obsessed fanboy - you've hilariously never even attempted to refute my thread. Because you can't. Because I'm right and you're wrong.

So the onus is still on YOU to try and refute MY posts, you absolute clown. I'm still waiting.

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You're genuinely too stupid to even comprehend anything that doesn't fit into your fantasy world aren't you.

Loudunce is so thick he doesn't know the difference between a pound and a dollar, and still thinks the Rick Frazier cherrypick was a mandatory defense despite the reality being repeatedly spelled out to him.

You get owned and proved wrong, go into hiding, then repeat your original dumb lies a few months later. As though no one will remember. Even serge can finally see this behaviour.

Loudunce logic = mental illness 101, folks.

PMSL at you!

And my posts were all over the place? They're perfectly put together and in order, you spastic. You couldn't break something down clearly & concisely like I can to save your miserable life.

My Flashback pieces are infinitely superior and more accurate that any posts of yours will ever be. Your posts are just embarrassingly bad. Your stupidity is cringeworthy.

I don't mean to brag but - via my own research - I also single-handedly exposed Roid as a PED cheat in full by debunking the Andro excuse for good (Loudunce didn't even have the intellect to understand the information).

And me exposing the HBO bosses confirming Roid was a cherrypicking ducker just kills you doesn't it.

Or does the trolling fat delusional obsessed mentally ill internet forum loser think he knows more than the HBO bosses?

And until you admit Roid ducked Collins and was a cherrypicking ducker, my thread will haunt you forever.

Because you will NEVER refute my posts. Guaranteed.

"spam". LOL. Describes your posts perfectly.

Nice try though, Loudunce.

Thanks for the laughs.

 

Yeah Ottke was pretty good I think he would have been competitive against Joe. I would fancy Joe to beat him through workrate but if fought in Germany might get robbed. The Reid fight leaves a bad taste in my mouth too but you can't really question the number of defences like Joe even if they weren't all elite they were the best at that weight at the time. That's what I mentioned in my first post was a lot of the best fighters mostly moved up other than Hopkins who went the other way. I just don't think that's a completely fair arguement. you're entitled to make it but again we can just throw that at anyone below heavy.
I think a lot of the top fighters have a broad appeal and then at the edges have nut huggers on one extreme then complete haters on the other. To me it's a sign of a great fighter as people wouldn't give a toss if someone was average. I tend to dismiss either extreme as with many things it's understanding these things have nuance therefore the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

Calzaghe would outpoint Ottke fairly easily.

 

Haha!

Oh my.

Where do I even start?


First of all, we’re both completely destroying the thread.

If we continue to do this, nobody is going to post on here about Sven Ottke anymore.

We’re also probably both going to end up with a ban.

However, seeing as though you have provided me with so much great entertainment over the past few days, if you want to revive the old Colllins thread, then you can do. But please read the following VERY carefully:

I will CONSIDER arguing/debating/humiliating you, discussing each part, ONE at a time, IF you can try and act like a human being for a day or two.

IF.


What exactly am I supposed to do with all of these hate fuelled rants??

You were supposed to be TRYING to refute what I’d said yesterday, not have a breakdown and go full on ‘Roid’ rage where you have tried to squeeze in his entire career!

Ha!


Above, you have written:

“My posts are perfectly put together”

Haha!

You can’t seriously believe that.


You’ve acted like Norman Bates.


So I’ll give you A CHANCE to try and act even SEMI NORMAL in order to continue the debate/argument/humiliation.


Now, regarding your links, we both know that they’ve been taken from old threads from both here and B Scene, where me, you and General Zod went at this for days, years and years ago. But what you’ve done, is to pick out the bits which suit your agenda, whilst ignoring everything that I have uploaded.

ALL of these points have been countered in the past.

ALL of them.


Now I will highlight just some of the things from your HILARIOUS rants:


You have criticised Roy for moving up and fighting James Toney.

Yet Toney was the P4P no.2 fighter in the world at the time.


You have said that Roy had hand picked his critics for his pre-Brannon interview.

No. He didn’t. One of them was Ron Borges from the Boston Globe, who was always Roy’s BIGGEST critic.


You have posted links from HBO’s Seth Abraham, showing Roy in a negative light.

Yet I have posted numerous links where Abraham supported Roy, both live and behind the scenes.


You have posted links with HBO’s Kerry Davis, where he questioned where Roy was going in his career and that he needed big fights.

Yet I have posted various links where Davis has said that he and Brad Jacobs went out of their way in order to try and secure a fight with Dariusz, yet Universum weren’t interested and wouldn’t return their offers to meet for discussions.


You have posted that Roy ducked Dariusz.

As above, I have posted various links where numerous figures from HBO have all said the complete opposite.


You have accused Roy of ducking Tarver in 2000.

Yet Tarver lost an eliminator against Eric Harding, who then fought Roy as the victor.


You have posted that Roy ducked a Hopkins rematch in 2002.

Yet I have posted numerous links from HBO’s Mark Taffet, where he categorically states that he met Hopkins privately behind the scenes, where Hopkins demanded $10m or no fight. To which Taffet laughed, before stating that he knew that Hopkins wasn’t in any way serious about making the fight. Neither Taffet or Davis hold Roy in any way responsible for that fight not having taken place. Hopkins turned down $6m (which was almost 3 x more than his previous biggest purse) and a fight on HBO when he was free of his Showtime contract. Both of those guys hold Hopkins fully responsible.


You have accused Roy of ducking Joe in 2001.

Again, Roy was the P4P no.1 fighter in the world. He had all of the LHW belts. The P4P King of boxing does not move continents and weight divisions, to pursue relatively unknown fighters who have beaten nobody of note. It’s completely unheard of. Roy was also signed to HBO. Again, Joe would not move up to LHW or fight in America, which is one of the reasons why Showtime dropped him. He instead defended a lightly regarded WBO belt for a decade in Britain, where he was more than happy to fight against lightly regarded European level fighters.


You have uploaded Roy’s post-fight interview with Frazier in order to criticise him.

Yet Reggie Johnson was one of the guys who HBO wanted him to fight, which was put up on their post-fight video graphic, who Roy fought later on in that year.


You want to use all of your HBO links as being credible sources.

Yet EVERY SINGLE time that I try and use a HBO source, you instantly dismiss them, before branding them all as being nothing but liars. So you expect people to take your HBO links into account, yet you will categorically ignore every single one that I use. Basically, you’re allowed to use them for evidence, yet nobody else can. (see below)


You ask me if I’m going to argue against what HBO have said.

Yet in your OWN YouTube videos YOU have accused them of lying.


You have accused Roy of ducking Steve Collins in 1999.

Yet you have evidence that Roy initially told Fred Levin to MAKE the fight, until he realised that HBO wouldn’t air it, and that the Johnson fight was BIGGER.


You have criticised Roy for taking the Johnson fight instead of fighting Collins.

Yet fighting Johnson (who’d once beaten Collins) gave Roy the opportunity to land Johnson’s IBF belt, in order to make him the undisputed LHW champ.


You say that Roy didn’t always make $2m per fight.

True. But he made $3m for Paz and $4.5m for Hill.


You say that Collins was a bigger fight than Hill.

From Collins’ perspective, sure. But Collins had a lightly regarded WBO belt, whereas Hill was the WBA and IBF LHW champion, who was seen as being the bigger opponent in the U.S.


You’re happy to use quotes from the Levin’s, which show Roy in a negative way.

Yet you have ignored my numerous links from the Levin’s, where they stated that they wouldn’t deal with King, due to him wanting future options etc.


You have said that Collins fought and beat Eubank and ended his GREAT undefeated streak.

Yet we both know that Eubank was faded, where he was lucky not to have entered the ring against Collins with 4 defeats to his name. He admits himself that he lost to Benn and Schommer, and many people believe that he lost at least one of his fights against Ray Close. Yet despite that, Collins BARELY beat him in their first fight.


You have criticised Roy for dealing with Don King.

Yet he only used him on a handful of occasions, and only when he wasn’t tied to future multi-fight options, when the terms were in his favour.


You have criticised me for saying that Roy wanted to unify with Virgil Hill after fighting Montell Griffin. You have claimed that Hill fought Dariusz before Roy had finished with Griffin.

Yes. But Roy spoke of wanting to fight Hill, BEFORE Dariusz had even signed to fight him.


So you see Josephine, you haven’t refuted a damn thing.


ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


All you’ve done is posted agenda driven hate.

Every single one of your points have been REFUTED over the years.


You haven’t refuted ANY of what I said yesterday.


You haven’t refuted Roy being in camp for Griffin.

You haven’t refuted Collins’ two retirements.

You haven’t refuted DeBella NOT wanting to air a fight in 1999.

You have not and cannot refute any of my timeline.


All you’ve done is spammed the board like the raging lunatic that you are.


I'm so sorry to spoil your victory party Josephine.


Unfortunately, this is what happens when you’re intellectually INFERIOR to someone.

 

I think that Joe would have overwhelmed him.

I think that it would have been a good fight though.

Like I said in a previous post, how can you get these types of fights to happen?

It’s practically impossible.

 

Agree. It's like others before like Eubank that were happy to keep defending a belt and don't always have that drive to be an all time great.
It's understandable on a level as if your not totally confident. do you want to be fighting a monster in your division? and have to grind to get back to where you were if you lose? I think for many they want to earn that money while they can. they have a belt and have a claim to be champion but for the hardcore fans we seem to have a higher expectation as we understand what the ATG's have done in the past but the reality is only a small handfull are capable of achieving such heights.

The main problem is too many belts but I don't think you could go back to one as the pool of fighters would shrink. So maybe have 2 belts per division would be the best compromise. Also the likes of We Be Crooks having stupid variations even at the same weight with Plastic. Silver. Super Gold etc.Just get rid of all of that crap. I think you need a single authority in boxing and get rid if some of the lower weights were there's only a few pound difference. In fact go back to 8 divisions and keep cruiser to bridge that gap for the bigger fighters we have these days.
The other main issue is promoters wanting to keep that cash cow going. I'm sure most fighters by there nature would like to fight all the competition. but are stopped by there management or promoters. the best example now would be Spence v Crawford as I don't think either one is scared of the other but clearly there's parties looking to protect their investment and keep that gravy train rolling.

 

Josephine,

Haha!


These are YOUR YT videos:


HBO lie about Roid Jones having no rivals.


Jones, Merchant and Lampley talking nonsense


Live HBO interview - Roid Jones is a compulsive liar


Haha!

You couldn’t make this up.


HBO SUPPORTED the Pre-Brannon interview, knowing EXACTLY what would be said.


So: Were HBO credible?


Yes or no?


I’ll give you the answer:


Yes - When it suits you.

No - When it doesn’t.


You are absolutely HOPELESS.

 

Great post.

Boxing has definitely been diluted due to all of the org’s. And the org’s having different belts in the SAME weight class absolutely takes the pi$$.

I grew up in the 90’s.

It must be even harder for fans who’ve been watching since the 60’s and 70’s etc.

I’d like to see 2 belts per division, with about 10 classes.

I’d also consider bringing back same day weigh-ins with safety checks.

That’s why the UFC is so good. Because it’s just under one body, so there’s no rival org’s and networks etc.

I really hope that we can see the Spence-Crawford fight.

It’s just a shame that the sport is also such a ruthless business.

 

Josephine,

The REALITY:


Here are YOUR YouTube videos:


HBO lie about Roid Jones having any rivals

Roid Jones Jr explains why he’s a ducker

Roid Jones lies about offer made to Dariusz M

Steve Collins calls out Roid Jones

Frankie Liles on Roid Jones

Joe Rogan on Roid Jones sudden decline

Montell Griffin vs Roid Jones II

Roid Jones KOs a fan in sanctioned bout

Roid Jones vs Antonio Tarver II

Julian Jackson hits too hard for Roid Jones

Roid Jones awarded a fake, imaginary title

Jones, Merchant and Lampley talking nonsense

Virgil Hill on Jones ducking Dariusz M

Calzaghe - Roid Jones is hiding

Roid Jones doesn’t want any real challenges

Roid Jones pricing himself out Calzaghe fight

Frank Warren and Joe Calzaghe talk Roid Jones fight

Roid Jones won’t fight Dariusz M

Michael Nunn camp predict that Roid Jones will duck them

Nigel Benn wants to box Roid Jones

Roid appeals to the public for an opponent

Roid Jones is a compulsive liar

Steve Collins calls out Roid Jones

Nigel Benn wants a war with Roid Jones

Frankie Liles wants to fight Roid Jones

Reluctant Roid can’t answer the question

Steve Collins calls out Roid Jones again

Steve Collins on Roid Jones

Roid Jones vs Enzo Mac

Merqui Sosa talks about his fight with Roid Jones

Gerald-Benn: Benn wants to box Roid Jones

Glass Jaws: Roid Jones


THIRTY TWO HATE VIDEOS.

THIRTY TWO!!


Haha!


Obsessed, MUCH??


Mentally ill, MUCH??


I just hope that you’re not responsible for anybody or anything.


You are EVERYTHING that you accuse me of being.


Now go and do yourself a HUGE favour:



GET SOME HELP!

 

I think were in broad agreement. I would do the weigh ins before the ring walk to prevent anybody from rolling in 20 lbs heavier. If it's same day then there's that risk of people trying to gain that extra weight to get an advantage.
I don't buy the fact modern fighters are automtically better as I've stated in another thread in the lounge about longevity and diet. My point was the fact that there's PEDS and access to a balanced healthy diet it doesn't mean every boxer applies it. I would assert that in some ways some boxers don't put the same work in as the old timers who could do 15 rounds. and yes guys are bigger now but some of the more muscle bound fighters are gassed after 4-5 rounds. How many heavies can we think of that have piled on loads of weight after a fight. Think of people like Bowe or Douglas back in the 90's and theres many examples since. The point being I guarantee boxers weren't doing that 50 or a 100 years ago.

Yeah UFC absorbed it's main competition over the years. yes there's a couple of other orgs but there a lot smaller in terms of roster.
They generally put good cards on I just think people like McGregor can generate good money he can also hold a division up as he won belts but never defended them. so it kind of shafts the other guys in the division who've put the work in. but nothing is perfect and Dana knows what he's doing and seems shrewd and switched on.

 

Great post.

 

I rest my case .

 

wow. you're reaching.
you deliberately missed out the part as to why i was indulging using belts in my arguments, and then i called you out on it once my prediction that (sure enough) you would try to use belts to defend ottke cam true, because you couldn't use opponents.

 

Overrated german tomato can opener. He would be completely destroyed and sent to the hospital by any really good world top level suppermiddleweight

His career is pretty much the definition of what a career must NOT be in boxing. Bum after bum after bum and then retire, always at home and robbing if needed.

It's stupid to spend a single minute talking about such an "insipid" boxer and career. Amazing this thread went 15 pages. You are really bored, guys.

Having said that, he was my hero when I started training hard in the gym and I could watch nothing but euroboxing. I was always looking forward to him fighting in eurosport to watch him fighting. Then I discovered fernando vargas and I realized that I had been scammed hard for a long long long time, people had been lying to me about what a top fighter was. I became insta fan of vargas, started focusing on TRUE top boxing and I never looked ottke again the same way.

I like him because he reminds me of the good old times, but he is what he is, and saying otherwise is simply to lie.

 

You've got to be kidding. Look at the top ten in the Super Middleweight division when he was a champion and tell me how many fighters he didn't fight in that list, and he often fought them multiple times.
We spend alot of time talking about the Robin Reid match, but that was clearly at the end of his career and a lengthy amateur career as well.
Ottke was a very savvy boxer and very talented defensively.
Posts like yours seem incredibly irresponsible and emotionally driven through your fear and anger of being scammed by Eurobox and how he didn't match up to your idea of what a boxer should look like when compared to Fernando (PEDs) Vargas of all people. And you're talking about being scammed and cheating?