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Hector Camacho v Edwin Rosario

Good battle where Camacho won the battle but Rosario won the war. The big moments were in rounds 5 and 10 where Rosario’s left hook had Camacho in serious trouble. He managed to survive both times and he won the fight between rounds 6 and 10 where Rosario didn’t seem to be able to land that damaging hook.

Camacho showed a lot of heart here even if this was a watershed moment in his career where he decided he didn’t want to show that heart again (he would do, though, against Julio Cesar Chavez six years later).

1 10-9
2 10-9
3 9-10 (close. First success for Rosario)
4 9-10 (Rosario starting to time the right hand lead. Good work)
5 9-10 (big Rosario round as he hurts Camacho badly, who does very well to survive)
6 10-9
7 10-9 (close)
8 10-9 (Camacho has done very well since the 5th)
9 10-9 (Camacho seems in control)
10 10-9 (Rosario just not getting to Camacho often enough)
11 9-10 (Rosario lands the big left hook again and has Camacho hurt. Less time on the clock this time and Camacho survives again)
12 9-10

Camacho 115-113 Rosario

 

This is what I wrote when I scored it:

Pedroza-Lockridge I

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 9: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 10: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 11: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 12: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 13: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 14: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 15: 10-9 Lockridge

145-143 Pedroza

Very close fight, but Pedroza was fortunate to have the WBA's house referee Stanley Christodolou working that fight. There are many referees who would have taken points from Pedroza for those repeated low-blows. Christodolou just repeated throughout 'keep them up', which was pointless. Still, great fight.

 

Nice write up I agree with the lowblows, in one round I remember commentators saying Pedroza landed 5 low blows in a row, and the ref did nothing.

I'm looking to watching 2nd fight soon, hopefully I can have a scorecard up in the next few days.

 

The fight that single handily changed Hector Camacho's style.

 

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Never understood why Hector took so much flack for that.

He won the fight and continued to be effective for years using his footwork and boxing. Nobody ever faulted Willie Pep for that, for instance — he’s celebrated for it.

And Hector hung in there for better or for worse — when he fought guys who put it on him, he was there for the distance. (Unlike Pep in his three losses to Saddler.) Never took the easy way out. Took his whupping when it came but over time took a lot less punishment for it.

Is he supposed to be honor-bound to stand toe to toe vs. superior firepower? This ain’t rock-em-sock-em robots.

 

That is true. He started the fight on the back foot and continued that way and finished that way. And when he fought Julio Cesar Chavez in 1992, he took a bigger, more sustained ass-kicking and was standing at the end too.

I think the difference before and after the Rosario fight is maybe that his career trajectory went down and he took less meaningful fights - perhaps that is the ‘safety first’ aspect of it.
I also think the combination of his fighting style and nickname probably didn’t help him either. If “Macho” is your nickname, you’d better live up to it if you want to be taken seriously.

 

I get what you're saying, but I've always seen it not so much as people disliking the style he had post-Rosario as it was the appearance that he let Rosario "ruin" him. In some minds, he was broken that night, psychologically damaged by virtue of just two rough rounds. They look at a legit tough guy like Chacon or some such eat punches almost eagerly and come back for more again and again, then look at Camacho become skittish and visibly hesitant based on that, and it goes against some imagined creed or something.

He did let one fight change his style, at the end of the day. Willie Pep was Willie Pep from day one.

 

Do we really know that? Do we have reliable witnesses that say Willie was flitting around the ring in his pro debut? I mean he could have taken one wallop in one early fight and changed his style … or one in the gym.

To me it’s silly. Hector did nothing to disgrace himself in the ring in any way. If he was that afraid he wouldn’t have lasted to the end to take the beatings he did with JC Superstar or Trinidad.

 

I really think it's a bit of a false narrative.

Go look at Hector vs. Jose Luis Ramirez (before Rosario) and you see him fighting much the same as he did versus Rosario.

Go look at Hector vs. Rosario after he weathered the initial big punch -- in the ninth round he threw 30 more punches than Edwin. That's hard to do when you're supposedly avoiding a fight. And you can see that while he does flit around a bit, he also keeps the jab going and darts in and out to land. At several points later in the fight he's the one pushing Rosario around on the inside, backing him to the ropes.

Then watch Camacho vs. Boza-Edwards, his next fight after Rosario. Yes he does use his footwork and floats around the ring, but he isn't reluctant to counter and also fills a lot of the time when Boza is following him around by using his jab and then darting in and out for a quick combo.

Against JC Chavez and Trinidad where he's completely outgunned, he does fight nearly entirely in retreat without much offense. But if you look at those three fights in the same time from -- pre-Rosario, vs. Rosario and post-Rosario -- there's not a stark before/after contrast.

 

Me personally I never had an issue with Camacho's style. I watched his career set few years ago. I thoroughly enjoyed watching his fights.

But I do think the Rosario fight, did alter his mentality how he went about fighting. And he was noticeably less aggressive and more safety first after that.

I'm not saying theres anything wrong in that, I appreciate good boxing or defensive prowess.

 

I think in most peoples’ minds, Hector was fighting more aggressively against Rosario, got caught with one punch and ran and hid the rest of the fight. But the film doesn’t bear that out — he’s completely out-working Rosario in many rounds (again, 30 more punches thrown in the ninth round … that’s a pretty big output differential for a guy who is supposedly trying to climb the ropes and run out of the arena).

The other thing is, the rules do allow someone to cut off the ring and walk him down. We saw JC Chavez and Trinidad do it. It’s on Rosario to dictate terms, and he was unable to do it.

I do think Hector at 130 was a force of nature. Blindingly fast and those punches had mustard on them. At 135 and above, he didn’t have the firepower to do the damage he did at the lighter weight and thus had to adjust.

 

Oh yeah I think that's rubbish aswell, Camacho certainly didn't run in the Rosario fight. That was a very good fight for both fighters, if I remember rightly I had Camacho edging it 7-5.

And Camacho at 130 is P4P top 10 fastest hand speed ever. The way he took apart Rafael Limon is one of my favourite fights.

 

Watched Leonard Hearns 1. Tommy was digging in Ray hard. Don’t remember my scorecard at time of stoppage but had TH ahead by a wide margin. His speed for his frame is just insane to me. But, gotta give it up to Sugar Ray too. Legendary for a reason.

 

Spence vs Garcia
1:10-9
2:9-10
3:10-9
4:10-9
5:10-9
6:10-9
7:10-9
8:10-9
9:9-10
10:9-10
11:10-9
12:9-10

No real momentum shifts at all in this fight. Spence pressed forward behind his jab, body work and quick combos, Garcia waited for an opening.

In a couple of rounds I felt Garcia did land the better shots off his countering but despite my score, this was absolutely not a close fight. The rounds I gave Garcia I only just gave to Garcia, this very easily could have been a shut out.

Spence really marked Garcia up and landed a hell of a lot of jabs, with no great volume coming back from him.

As a first fight back from a potential career ending injury, this is as good as you could hope for.

116-112