Was 70s George Foreman a bigger or smaller man than Samuel Peter?

Great link. Yeah, I think old Foreman pretty much trained himself. He knew what his body needed. Even the body fat weight, he decided his extra strength at 250ish was better than getting down to 230. At his age, with his adjusted style, that makes sense.

 

Foreman for all his weird ramblings at times is obviously ridiculously smart IMO.

I mean has any boxer ever done better? What's he worth, $300mil? Holmes has spent his money quite well and is around $18mil. He smashes guys like SRL too. Tyson at one point hit $300mil but never had the brains or restraint of Foreman.

Foreman also has all his faculties and for all intents and purposes is the man. Who woulda thunk back in the 70's after he lost to Ali and Young?

 

That's interesting post. Let's give a bit more examples though. How can you estimate who is bigger when the things are a bit more fuzzy? I think we all know that someone like Andy Ruiz is smaller than Foreman,despite a big weight advantage. What if we take someone like Terunofuji - a 70th yokozuna? He is roughly as tall as prime Foreman and is much heavier. Would you call him bigger than Foreman?

From my perspective - Teru is shredded with muscles, so maybe this comparison is too obvious. I don't know, what's your thought? At what point can we decide who has too much unfunctional mass? Should we know his fat percentage?

 

Although he has plenty of fat, at least the Yokozuna demonstrates that all that excess mass has it's uses. It makes him a human wall, very difficult to push back, and he has proven to be an incredibly powerful muscular person who can easily push back 200+ pound grown men with his powerful shoves. Some sumo are built similarly to linemen in football who appear to just be big fat, guys, but try punching then or shoving then and they'll laugh. They have very dense muscle underneath.

What makes it clear Ruiz isn't the same and is simply obese is that his frame can barely handle all his weight. He has those ugly, doughey lunch lady arms with lots of saggy fat hanging off his biceps. He hunches with a slight hump. A huge blubbery waist line that hangs out over his boxing trunks like a muffin. The biggest tell tale signs are his short stubby legs that are probably screaming at him every evening. Small wrists and ankles often indicate that someone is carrying too much weight for their frame. The puffy cheeks and very saggy chest also suggest he isn't packing a lot of muscle underneath. He weighs a lot simply because he eats too damn much.

 

Foreman wasn't fat at all at 230.

 

I agree, I thought George's weight against Holyfield,257 was far too much. He should have weighed in the 240 -45 range.

 

I'm confused why you quoted me without replying to me and wrote nothing else.

 

Nah...Meehan mainly only 4 or 6 rounders and he wasn't fat till he got older. Against the great Greb, who he outweighed by over 30 pounds...he lost but went the distance. He was slippery and agile, and dirty as well.

"Greb won nine rounds." (Sandusky Register) The Pittsburgh Post said that Greb entered the ring with a black eye and two boils, yet won 9 of 10 rounds. Meehan won only the 9th, when Greb appeared to coast. Greb's best rounds were the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th, and 10th, all of which he won very decisively. The other rounds were close. Meehan proved to be quite mobile despite his fat mid-section. He threw a lot of leather and "hit Greb aplenty, " but never hit hard enough to back Harry up. Greb almost disregarded Meehan's punches and threw his usual blizzard of leather. At time he had Meehan all at sea and won by plenty but Willie was never in danger of being stopped.

 

Sounds like Greb was cheating! He came in injured to gain the judges sympathy ...

 

WIlder has extremely low body fat...he's weighed 212 pounds for his fights and he'd 6'7" or so. However, he STILL has
stamina issues; looks gassed after 3 or 4 rounds until he gets his second wind. Looking good and having stamina are two different things.
I look like a Greek god frankly, but my stamina isn't that good. 45 seconds is my lifetime record.

 

I addressed this in another post. I never said looking good indicated you were in good shape or had stamina.

If you're muscular and buff but gas out in a few rounds, clearly that isn't functional muscle. I would hesitate to say you're "bigger" than someone even if you're a few lbs heavier than them (unless there's a colossal difference like 25+ lbs and you're also significantly taller).

Wilder just has crappy training methods and focused almost exclusively on power. He lacks basic fundamentals and stamina despite being a pro and a champion for quite some time.

 

George also roped the front of a jeep and would haul it around his backyard, just pull the rope over his shoulder and walk while towing the truck as resistance training.

Video around the 1 minute mark:

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He clearly had a lot of powerful muscle underneath that big grin and old man flab. There's lots of footage of him doing strength training such as bicep curls, dumbbells, etc. He also continued to use old school methods such as chopping wood, digging holes, or using the medicine ball.