How would steroid-clean Evander Holyfield do against today's top heavyweights?

Agree I think Holyfield was the exception as he clearly trained like a mofo. I think a fallacy that happens is someone being in great shape however I think think of plenty who got popped but clearly didn't train half as much and looked very average Tyson Fury is a good recent example. I think another thing to consider is also age we understand that we slow down once we get into our 30's so PED use can extend that shelf life by allowing you to recover quicker than you normally would and thus extend ones "prime"
It's something that has to be considered as sports stars only have a short window to make as much as they can so adding say five years at the back end is a no brainer.

 

Lol

 

Evander beats every HW except Fury. I can't see how he would be able to beat Fury, Fury can outbox too well if he has too (and he would).

 

To try and determine what peds do is impossible. There are a variety of different peds, some compliment others some don't. They don't all have the same benefits they don't all have the same drawbacks

 

Smaller Holyfield (unsure about "unroided") gave Bowe a hell of a fight. So he'd be hell for most of these guys still.

 

Not true, different people react differently to peds. Some people hyper respond to them some dont

 

I believe Holyfield went on roids the moment he decided to go to heavyweight.

 

Yeah, that looks like a pretty steroid free version to be fair.

 

3-15% is possible if either both groups used PEDs before the study, or even if it was juest one delimited period. Over time & a bunch of courses ofdrugs, it can do a good deal more.

It is impossible to know how much increased mass was a result of HGH, & what part was increasing sophistication of & development of new steroids + enablers such as IGF/Insulin-"stacking" drugs for increasingly unnatural effects.
Also genetics & the amount of androgen receptors applied to the unpredictable effects of how much more some got/get out of PEDs.

There was no single "mass monster". But Yates was the first champion to put together both great mass & the lower body equally developed. Arnold had "no legs" compared to today-& Yates replaced 8 time Mr. Olympia Lee Haney. Who ha heavily muscled legs by any normal human standard, but not similar to Yates.

Tom Platz was a guy who had more mass than Arnold for his height due to him having massive legs by the early 1980's or before.
In the old daaaaze, they never demanded this.

 

No I am just being accurate. You quoted a specific number for the fight & the weigh in was easy to check.
It was in part a little extra fat & likely tons of food that got him to that size.

 

Holyfield is was discovered to be on the list for the PED lab Balco as Evan Fields. Also linked to HGH, when they called the # for that character (which had his address) Evander answered.

He did have that balance, just not in terms of proportionate lower body development.

 

This is very good reasoning, as long as it is qualified that half using both covers rare dabbling constant usage or cycling-& remains a guesstimate.

The sports that most extremely test & reward the outer limits of strength + endurance will have more doping.
Plus if protocols for capturing wule violators are more porous.
Boxing does not so directly reward pure physical capacity like Decathalon sports like sprinting or throwing.
Cycling may be the most corrupt sport.
I would like to see a link showing that all other racers in the 1988 100 meter eventually confessed to cheating.
But it is certainly possible!

 

Yeah it's a few years since I read it Ive got it printed out from what I can remember most were on a single drug and only a small percentage were on a combinarion. I'll dig it out and break it down the sample taken.
Agree about the development of body building it's interesting as it parallel's PEDS in sports and is a good visual representation of what was being applied. Yates was kind of the first but many would follow in the 90's it ran into the 2000's but then there was a bit of a change within the sport in the 2010's with Heath not being quite as extreme as the previous few winners. I think Markus Rühl was possibly the point where things looked a bit silly I think he had some implants at some point. The ones I find funny are skinny dudes in the Middle East who get synthoil injected into their "Guns"
I'm still at a loss whp people would do that to their bodies as it's pretty clear that they coudn't lift a sack of potatoes nevermind serious weights.

 

I thought Usyk was 220+ vs. AJ. Not going to look it up or argue. Anyway, the exception does not make the rule.

Good chance Usyk would outbox and decision Vander - very likely a steroid clean version.