the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

John H Stracey vs Dave Boy Green

1 Green
2 Green
3 Stracey
4 Green
5 Green 10-8 because i felt Green was so dominant
6 Green
7 Green
8 Stracey
9 Stracey
10 Green wins TKO

87-82 Green

Grueling fight Green just seemed physically stronger and overwhelmed him, Stracey had his moments but Green just kept hitting Stracey over and over with right hands and couldn't miss with it. And Stracey didn't have much of answer to it, nor could he keep Green off him.

I do think Green was out of order with the use of his head early on, he done it multiple times and was maybe lucky he didn't DQ'ed or points taken away.

The 5th round was pretty one sided which is why i scored it 10-8, Stracey at one point in the round looked like he wanted to quit. But fair play to Stracey for sticking in there and gutting it out.

Stracey to his credit actually made a bit of comeback in rounds 8 and 9. As Green got tired and went a bit ragged, but the 10th round Green got a 2nd wind. And pounded Stracey along the ropes, with Stracey's eye almost completely closed. The referee did Stracey a favour stopping the fight.

Overall a bit of a one sided fight, but Stracey had some moments here and there.

 

D, I checked this fight out a year or so ago. If I scored on the 10 point must, my score would have been 89-83 for Green. However, I always score on the method used at the time. Anyways, here is what I wrote at the time:

I watched the 1977 John Stracey v Dave Boy Green fight this morning. Man, there wasn't a moment to breathe. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: Green
Round 2: Green
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Green
Round 5: Green
Round 6: Green
Round 7: Green
Round 8: Green
Round 9: Stracey
Round 10: Harry Gibb stops the bout in Green's favor

Total (through 9 completed rounds): 89 1/2 - 86 1/2 for Green (if I am understanding Britain's 10 - 9 1/2 scoring correctly)

Green was all over Stracey from the opening bell, slathering him in body shots, the 'muckspreader' and a careless noggin. It looked like Stracey was making a remarkable comeback from a winded Green in the 9th, but Green got his second win in the 10th and Gibb quite rightly pulled out a distressed Stracey. It seemed like the arena was electric that night. I'll bet that was fun to be a Green fan that night.

 

Green and Stracey were both insane warriors. I wish they'd have fought Armando Muniz.

 

Oh, don't get me going. Muniz was my all-time favorite. Man, I envisioned what he would do to Stracey until Palomino got the title shot. Both Stracey and Green against Muniz would have been tremendous crowd pleasers.

 

Speaking of Palomino I watched his fight with Green last year. I didn't score it but that was very good fight.

I felt a bit sorry for Green, because he never won a title. And he did so well in that fight, but Palomino is tough as nails and wore him down.

Palomino vs Cuevas would of been a war

 

You know what's funny I randomly felt like watching Daniel Zaragoza today, I looked on Google to find fight recommendations and found an old thread by @George Crowcroft so I'll be going through a few of his fights today.

 

This is the quintessential Zaragoza thread:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-aka-zurdo-de-tacubaya-zaragoza-reyna.666985/

 

Daniel Zaragoza vs Joichiro Tatsuyoshi I

1 Zaragoza
2 Zaragoza
3 Zaragoza
4 Zaragoza
5 Zaragoza
6 Zaragoza
7 Zaragoza
8 Zaragoza
9 Zaragoza
10 Zaragoza
11 Zaragoza winner by TKO on cuts

90-81 Zaragoza

I thought Zaragoza pitched a shut out in this one, he boxed very nicely on the outside. And picked Tatsuyoshi apart with the left hand, Zaragoza literally couldn't miss with straight left hand catching Tatsuyoshi flush over and over.

To Tatsuyoshi's credit he showed a hell of a chin, and never gave up trying despite the horrible cut. But he was outclassed by a very good performance from Zaragoza.

I think there was maybe 2 rounds you could argue, but for me Zaragoza outworked Tatsuyoshi and landed the head snapping shots. So i couldn't find a round to give to Tatsuyoshi, even though he did make rounds 5 and 7 competitive.

I'm looking forward to the rematch as i heard it's alot more competitive, and i'd like to see the adjustments Tatsuyoshi makes to make it more competitive this time.

 

D, you need to check out the second fight between Zaragoza and Paul Banke. You'll love it.

 

Daniel Zaragoza vs Joichiro Tatsuyoshi II

1 Zaragoza
2 Zaragoza
3 Zaragoza
4 Zaragoza
5 Tatsuyoshi
6 Zaragoza
7 Zaragoza
8 Tatsuyoshi
9 Zaragoza
10 Zaragoza
11 Tatsuyoshi
12 Tatsuyoshi 10-8 point deduction

115-112 Zaragoza

Alot more competitive than there first fight, but i still feel Zaragoza was a close but clear winner.

Tatsuyoshi surprised me by starting off the fight, with movement making Zaragoza lead. And even though the early rounds were more competitive and Zaragoza wasn't landing his left hand as frequently as the 1st meeting, i still feel Zaragoza outboxed him.

The 4th round Tatsuyoshi changed his tactics and went back to being the aggressor, like he was in the 1st meeting. And i felt like he had a good round in the 4th round and i would of gave it to him, but Zaragoza comeback so well in the last minute landing head snapping straight lefts. And i felt Zaragoza edged that round but i could see an argument for Tatsuyoshi.

For me Tatsuyoshi just didn't land enough effective punches, Zaragoza in the most of the rounds landed the cleaner more effective punches. The eye catching straight left hand won Zaragoza most of the rounds for me, even though Tatsuyoshi was the aggressor.

Tatsuyoshi had a strong finish when Zaragoza went a big ragged and got tired. But it still wasn't enough for me it was a case of too little too late.

Overall i could maybe see an argument for Tatsuyoshi winning this fight, there was 2 very debatable rounds. But like i said i liked the cleaner more eye catching punches for Zaragoza, and that for me is what won him the fight.

 

I watched there trilogy a few years ago, for me it's probably one of the most underrated trilogies of all time.

 

Daniel Zaragoza vs Thierry Jacob

1 Zaragoza
2 Jacob
3 Jacob
4 Jacob
5 Zaragoza
6 Jacob
7 Zaragoza
8 Zaragoza
9 Jacob
10 Jacob 10-8 body shot knockdown
11 Jacob
12 Jacob

116-111 Jacob

I thought Daniel Zaragoza was well beaten in this fight, Thierry Jacob constantly got off first with his quicker handspeed. Landing the right jab and straight left, with some nice combinations. To me it just seemed like Zaragoza couldn't deal with the quicker handspeed of Jacobs.

There was a glimmer of hope for Zaragoza in the middle rounds, when he made a little comeback. Zaragoza started to land some nice body shots and straight lefts, and going into the 9th round i thought he'd won 2 rounds in a row. And he was winning the 9th round, but then Jacobs maybe sensing Zaragoza was coming back into the fight. Made an unbelievable rally in the last part of the 9th round. Absolutely battering Zaragoza and that seemed to shift the momentum back towards Jacobs.

The 10th round Zaragoza maybe still feeling the effects of the 9th round, went down from a nice left to the body, and then from then on Jacobs just cruised to victory even clowning about in the 12th round.

I was very impressed with Thierry Jacob, i'd only seen one fight of his before. And that was the war against Kelvin Seabrooks, but overall good fight but Jacobs won the fight pretty clearly in my view.

 

Jacob looked great in this fight.

On the subject of Dave Boy Green, man, when he got knocked down it was like he was shot. Against Leonard and Palomino you could have convinced me a sniper took him out the way he fell (and stayed fallen).

 

Daniel Zaragoza vs Carlos Zarate

1 Zaragoza
2 Zaragoza
3 Zarate
4 Zaragoza
5 Zaragoza
6 Zaragoza
7 9-9 Even round point deduction no idea why ?
8 Zaragoza
9 Zaragoza
10 Zagagoza wins by TKO

88-82 Zaragoza

Carlos Zarate looked shot and didn't offer too much, except the occasional right hand, Daniel Zaragoza kept circling and outboxing Zarate who couldn't cut the ring off and get to Zaragoza.

There's two moments in this fight i want to discuss, why did the referee take away a point from Zaragoza ? he seemed to land combination circle away then the referee randomly takes a point away from Zaragoza very bizarre.

And then the stoppage Zaragoza lands a solid left hand that buzzes Zarate, and then the referee just automatically stops the fight. Again i thought that was another bizarre decision from the referee. But maybe he did Zarate a favour in the end, because he had no chance of winning.

Haven't got much else to say about the fight, although i guess you could say it was passing of the torch. Similar to Zaragoza and Morales years later. Although i thought the latter was a much better fight and Zaragoza had more left than Zarate did.

 

Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Holmes
7 Norton
8 Norton
9 Holmes
10 Norton
11 Norton
12 Norton
13 Holmes
14 Norton
15 Norton

143-142 Holmes

I always thought this fight was kind of overrated as a close fight, but watching it again years later i'm surprised how close it was.

I don't think you can really argue with the first 6 rounds, Holmes boxed beautifully circling and pot shotting Norton with that famous piston like left and right crosses. Although i think the 5th round was somewhat debatable, but one big right hand from Norton isn't enough for me.

After 6 rounds i had Holmes pitching a shut out, but after that Norton started to get warmed up. And started getting closer to Holmes really piling on the pressure, and Holmes was started to throw the jab less, allowing Norton to land more with his own jab and occasional right hand.

The 9th round is a very debatable round, and i can see how it could be scored for Norton. But for me Holmes had the better portion of the round out jabbing Norton, and even though Norton landed two big right hands in the round. Holmes responded immediately with his own right hands and a nice body shot to boot. So i don't think them two right hands from Norton were enough.

From then on i thought Holmes was looking tired, and i liked the effective aggression from Norton. The 13th round was huge round from Larry Holmes and i think there is an argument, that possibly it could of been scored 10-8 ? maybe that's reaching though.

But after the torrid 13th round for Norton, i thought he responded well and easily won the 14th round.

Then we have the famous 15th round which is considered one of the rounds in Heavyweight history. To me i've never understood people scoring the last round for Holmes. I think it's a clear round for Norton, who out landed Holmes 2 to 1 in that round for 2:30 of the round. Yes Holmes did have a great moment where he staggered Norton in the last 10 seconds, but i never thought that little moment in the round. Was anywhere near enough to steal the round with all the good work Norton done for majority of the round.

Overall the fight is as good as i remember, although some rounds were alot closer than i remember them being. Tomorrow i'd like to score Holmes/Witherspoon again. Because that's another fight i thought was an overrated close fight, but maybe i'll be surprised like i was with Holmes/Norton.