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Jose Napoles vs Ralph Charles

1 Napoles
2 Napoles
3 Napoles
4 Napoles
5 Napoles
6 Napoles
7 Napoles winner by TKO

So this my first glimpse of watching Jose Napoles, and i really enjoyed this fight. Jose Napoles walking his man down with educated pressure not over exerting himself. Nice accurate punches to the body and head, the way he walked his man down reminded me of Mike McCallum somewhat.

Also i'm not sure how Napoles chin is regarded, but i looked at Charles's record and he had pretty high KO ratio. And he hit Napoles a few times with some solid right hands, and it had no effect on Napoles what so ever. His chin to me looked pretty solid.

Overall nice smooth educated pressure from Napoles, and a pretty nice KO aswell. I do like skillful aggressive fighters like Duran, McCallum, etc.

 

I ready this as Jose Napoles vs. Ray Charles.

Would have been equally one-sided I’m sure.

 

John H Stracey vs Hedgemon Lewis

1 Lewis
2 Stracey
3 Stracey
4 Stracey
5 Stracey
6 Stracey
7 Stracey
8 Stracey
9 Stracey 10-8 no knockdown but Stracey was so dominant
10 Stracey winner by TKO

1st round was a great opening round Lewis started very fast throwing big shots, and controlled the round. But was hurt towards the end of a round, nice comeback by Stracey but not enough to win him the round.

2nd round was a good back forth action round with both men landing good shots, i could see an argument for Lewis winning the round. But i edged it for Stracey because he was more active.

From then on i thought Stracey closely but clearly won every round, he was constantly throwing the jab. And out landing Lewis, Lewis was competitive and threw some nice counters. But Stracey was working for 3 minutes of the round, where as Lewis only fought in spurts.

The 6th round is where i think the fight turned around, Stracey landed some lovely body shots. And i don't mean just a couple of body shots, must of been atleast 20 it was a beautiful body punching display by Stracey in that round.

After that brutal body punching display by Stracey, i thought he was in control of the fight. And the 9th round Stracey put a beating on Lewis, so much so i scored it 10-8 without there being a knockdown. I really don't know what kept Lewis up. And for me if i was in his corner i wouldn't of allowed him to come out for the 10th. As he took more needless punishment when he had no chance of winning.

Overall pretty good fight to watch, Stracey looked sharp had a nice jab consistent jab with some nice body punches.

I've never seen Lewis fight before, but he showed flashes of good boxing skill and nice hand speed.

The fight was competitive for 5 rounds, until Stracey took control in the 6th with the body punching. I may of had it one sided in the scoring, but that doesn't reflect how competitive the fight was for 5 rounds which it was.

 

John H. Stracey v. Carlos Palomino

1 Palomino
2 Palomino
3 Palomino
4 Palomino
5 Stracey
6 Palomino
7 Stracey
8 Palomino
9 Palomino
10 Palomino
11 Stracey
12 Palomino wins TKO

107-102 Palomino

From the first bell Palomino really opposed himself on Stracey, coming forward with brutal body shots. And to me Palomino just always looked like the physically stronger fighter, and his punches always looked like they were having an effect on Stracey.

I do think Stracey had his moments and i did give him a few rounds here and there, the problem was for Stracey is that his punches didn't seem to have any effect on Palomino, and whenever Stracey did have his moments Palomino would comeback instantly. Taking the play away from him, and Stracey would visibly look disheartened by shaking his head which probably lifted Palomino.

I thought Stracey showed tremendous heart, and he should be proud of the effort he gave it everything. But Palomino was too strong too tough and his body punches were the difference aswell.

Overall a really great fight but Stracey much like Green, just come up short against a rock solid Carlos Palomino who is tough as nails.

 

D, I scored this fight this past summer. This is what I wrote:

John H. Stracey v Carlos Palomino (welterweight title)

As scorecards are unavailable, I must assume this was scored on Britain's - then used - 10 - 9 1/2 system by the sole arbiter. But since there is nothing to compare it too, as Sid Nathan's card was not made public, I will stick to the more universal 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Palomino
Round 2: 10-9 Palomino
Round 3: 10-9 Palomino
Round 4: 10-9 Stracey
Round 5: 10-9 Stracey
Round 6: 10-9 Palomino
Round 7: 10-9 Palomino
Round 8: 10-9 Palomino
Round 9: 10-9 Palomino
Round 10: 10-9 Palomino
Round 11: 10-9 Palomino
Round 12: Palomino drops Stracey twice and ref stops bout in Palomino's favor

Total (after 11 completed rounds): 108-101 Palomino

I should also mention that a more liberal judge may have given Palomino the 10th by a 2 point margin as he battered Stracey that round.

Man, Carlos Palomino was not to be denied in this bout. I felt it took a herculean effort by Stracey to take the 4th and 5th on my card, but he just couldn't keep that up as Carlos was on him every round. Also, I don't know if the usually staunch Sid Nathan was having a word with Stracey between rounds that we were not privy to, but it seemed like he was granting Stracey some liberties there. I counted 5 separate times that Stracey hit Palomino after the bell. Carlos took the first three incidents good-naturedly, but that 4th and 5th he was getting fed up. I will say that he really took it out on John's body, though.

BTW, just from a historical perspective, I remember thinking at the time that Palomino really didn't deserve a title shot at the time. He only had a draw with Hedgemon Lewis on his record along with a win over shop-worn Zovek Barajas. But what happened here was that the 10 round draw with Lewis was a very good fight and a rematch was signed by promoter Aileen Eaton from the Olympic Boxing Club. But after the rematch was signed, Lewis got the call for a title fight with Stracey and the only way Eaton would allow the match was for Mickey Duff to agree to compensate Palomino with some monetary figure and agree to a title fight for Carlos in the event that Stracey won. Aileen Eaton and the Olympic held a lot of sway back in those days.

 

Great write up i agree wholeheartedly Palomino would just not be denied that night, i wasn't born when this fight took place so i'm only assuming this. But maybe Stracey's team thought Palomino would be an easy defence, since Stracey handled Hedgemon Lewis pretty well, where as Palomino only got a draw vs Lewis, but as we all know styles make fights.

Palomino sure did break British fans hearts during that period, with a win over Dave Boy Green aswell.

I did infact watch Green vs Palomino for the first time last year, i didn't score it but i thought Green did very well in that fight. And the impression i got without keeping a round by round score, is that Green was atleast 2-3 rounds up. But i remember thinking that slowly but surely, you could see the sand running out of the hourglass for Green.

I think the effort Green put in that fight, he would of beat quite a few champions. But unfortunately for him he run into a brick wall named Carlos Palomino.

 

I totally loved that fight. Watched it a little over a year ago. This is how I saw it:

Here is a fight I have been trying to see for some time. The welterweight title fight between Carlos Palomino and Dave 'Boy' Green. Everytime I tried to see it there was a round missing here or there or it was highlights. Found it in its entirety on youtube. To begin, I don't believe this was scored under the 10 point must system. I think referee James Brimmell was the sole arbiter under British rules. But since I'm unsure, I will score it 10 point must.

Round 1: 10-9 Green
Round 2: 10-9 Green
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Green
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Green
Round 8: 10-9 Palomino
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Green
Round 11: Palomino scores a KO

Total through 10 completed rounds: 99-95 Green

If you like tough fights to score (which I do) this is a good one. I actually had 4 even rounds. Green slathers Palomino with thumping shots from beginning to end and although Palomino's workrate isn't up to Green's, he does nail Dave throughout with the sharper shots. Excellent fight.

 

Taylor vs Postol
1:9-10
2:10-9
3:9-10
4:9-10
5:9-10
6:10-9
7:9-10
8:9-10
9:10-9
10:10-8
11:10-9
12:10-9

I have Postol taking an early lead after 4. He sets himself up so well behind his jab. His timing is just as good as Joshs as is his commitment to the big counter. Josh disrupted him slightly in round 2 but the first third has been very good by Postol.

Round 5 again sees Postol controlling the range with another master class of jabbing. Josh totally unable to work the body or beat him tok the jab. Looking very much like a 12 fight n, ovice here.

Round 6 we see Josh come out with more urgency and he really pushed the pace here, managing to get through with some big shots and send Postol onto the back foot.

Round 7 we again see Postol establish his jab, and this time he's ready for the forward charge of Josh and he times and catches him big, cutting Taylor and sending him into the retreat.

I have Postol 5-2 up

Round 8 we see Josh trying to outbox Postol from range, but it just isn't happening for my money. Postol is too good behind the jab, too well schooled with his timing.

Round 9 and Josh now looks to have the measure of Postol, he catches him time and time again with huge counters and looks very good here, he needs a knockdown to get the W on my card.

Round 10 Taylor comes out aggressive on the front foot, this time Postol can't time him and keep him away. Towards the end of the round we see Taylor land a huge left hand to drop Postol, and he now has momentum on his side.

Rounds 11 and 12 resemble a rocky film with both fighters landing big big counters. For me Josh gets the better big punches in to steal victory from the Jaws of defeat.

114-113.

 

Jose Napoles vs Curtis Cokes I

1 Napoles
2 Napoles
3 Napoles
4 Napoles
5 Napoles
6 Napoles
7 Napoles
8 Napoles
9 Napoles
10 Napoles
11 Napoles
12 Napoles
13 Napoles
14 Cokes doesn't come out for 14th round

130-117 Napoles

Probably the easiest fight i've had to score since joining this forum.

A master class from Napoles just kept walking Cokes down with educated pressure, closing the distance with the jab. And when Napoles got in range would just unload with quick handed combinations to the body and head, whilst all the time looking smooth as butter.

 

Felix Trinidad v Anthony Stephans (welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 3: 10-8 Stephans (*)
Round 4: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 5: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 6: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 7: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 8: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 9: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 10: Trinidad drops Stephans at 2:59 and the count continues to 3:09 KO for Trinidad

Total through 9 completed rounds: 88-83 Trinidad (actual scores: 88-83, 87-84 and another 87-84 all for Trinidad)

(*) First of all, let's talk about that 3rd round. Referee Bill Conners completely blew the call. On replay he appeared to be at the side of Trinidad and didn't see Trinidad's hand hit the canvas from a solid shot from Stephans. But Trinidad's body language should have told him he missed something as he wobbled like a drunk into the ropes. He did not call it a knockdown and neither did the judges who may or may not have agreed with him. The 10 point system gives us flexibility. If you want to abide by the ref, that's fine. But he was severely wobbled and I had no problem calling that a 10-8 for Stephans

Stephans put up a terrific fight early and then came alive again in the 9th and battled toe-to-toe the first half of the 10th before succumbing to those wilting shots by Trinidad. He did very well employing a lead right, which caught Tito every time. But, man, I'm telling you, once the Tito engine got revving he was really letting them rip. Stephans showed a lot of heart in this one staying around as long as he did and fighting back when he could. I totally enjoyed this bout.

 

Scar, I remember after the Stephens fight, there was a bit of a sense that Trinidad’s bubble had been burst as Stephens was a journeyman and wasn’t expected to give him any trouble.

When asked who would win if Hector Camacho fought Tito, Al Braverman said ‘Camacho beats the **** out of Trinidad’. Cue Trinidad having an excellent 1994 and beating previously undefeated Yory Boy Campas and Oba Carr. Oh yeah, and he beat Camacho too.

 

When you said yesterday that you were going to score this, I almost said ‘Don’t bother’ because it was such a clinic. It really is one of very best title-winning performances of all time.

 

Jose Napoles vs. Horacio Saldano

1 Napoles
2 Napoles
3 Napoles winner by KO

Good performance from Napoles, he really took the fight to Saldano from the opening bell. His punches looked sharp and fast, and pretty explosive aswell i might add. Nice two fisted attack to end the fight in the 3rd with a nice KO, it also nice to finally see Napoles in colour.

Jose Napoles vs Adolph Pruitt I

Couldn't really score this one as i only see one round, and the other highlights the quality was too bad. But from what i see Napoles fought very aggressively, actually fighting toe to toe really taking it to his opponent. Was nice to a see glimpse of Napoles fighting in the trenches, but Pruitt dislocated shoulder and Napoles was awarded a TKO so unfortunately i can't really much else.

Jose Napoles vs Adolph Pruitt II

1 Napoles
2 Napoles winner by TKO

So i really liked this fight because it's first time i've got to see Napoles on the backfoot, Pruitt come forward with his bob and weave aggressive style aka Joe Frazier. I was really impressed how relaxed Napoles looked on the backfoot being pressured. Napoles countered beautifully never missing a shot. And as soon as he got Pruitt in trouble he would jump on him with two fisted attack.

The stoppage was good a one with the referee saving Pruitt from further punishment, Pruitt was totally outclassed and it was a really good performance from Napoles.

 

Long time since I’ve seen it but I recall thinking this was one where Green was winning battles but losing the war — he was banking a lot of the rounds but you could kind of see it coming with the big shots Carlos was landing. Just felt like sooner or later what happened was going to happen.

 

If you can find the two Muniz fights, you'll see an admittingly aging Napoles fight on the back foot. The first was a war, where Napoles was very lucky to win and the second was a clinic.