Prime Louis Versus Lewis

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  1. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    How about this one? Now im very aware that Simon was no Lennox Lewis...but he was a hulk of a man at a rock solid 250, pretty much as tall as Lennox and he doesn't look Like a circus act, far from it.

    Louis Here looks Like the most brilliant fighting machine Ive ever seen. The constant and yet methodical aggression is a thing od beauty. He is literally trying to take off Simons head with every Punch and yet he maintains his poise the entire time. The transitions from offense to defense are almost seamless, he slips, ducks and backpedalls with ease and immediately respons with fire, throwing explosive punches with both hands from any range or angle you can think of, while constantly pumping out a good jab. Just an incredible multi dimensional beast.

    If the slow and plodding Mercer could walk Lewis down with a jab and beat him up can you really write Louis off easily?
     
  2. Pugguy

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    You “guess” Louis beat them with ease? He DID beat them with ease - you don’t like admitting that FACT.

    Why?

    Because it doesn’t fall in with your prejudiced treatment of Louis.

    If you can’t duly appreciate Louis’ skills then that suggests a distinct lack of appreciation of boxing ability in general - and you’ve exhibited that lack of understanding across numerous other discussions re other fighters - proven by your inability to break down and back up your “one line” opinions.

    Maybe if Louis did the moon walk just prior to knocking out his opponents that would please you such is your superficial address and COMPLETE lack of understanding re EFFECTIVE movement.

    H2H, absolute, Louis was clearly the more skilled fighter. Again, if you can’t see that then you have no clue. Lewis is only getting a look in here because of his SIZE advantage.

    As to whether Lewis would beat Carnera etc. more quickly, 1) that’s a matter of opinion 2) you said it would only require a handful of punches in the first? - that’s your uninformed exaggeration - and perhaps you’re confusing the manner in which your mod. boxer Morrison was seen off by Bentt ??

    Finally 3) How they fair separately against common opposition (which is only based on your thin hypothesis, no less) does not speak for how they would go H2H against one another without properly factoring their opposing strengths, weaknesses and styles - the type of analysis that you have proven is beyond you - which sees your own posts constantly amount to nothing more than unadulterated bull.
     
  3. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    thats not true joe was always that way the man was slow in every match how come you wont admit this his match with jers showed he was like the rest when matched with somebody who was different

    now if we look at joe with others yea he doesnt look slow cause he is moving at the same pace they dont look much different the only difference is he had better punch variety

    but he clearly was outmatched in movement and angle use that jer used jer just looked like he was from the future
     
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  4. moneytheman12

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    thats not true at all I have always said joe looks good with people who stand there you I can watch a Joe match and see how he moves it's slow stiff and basic and i can say for a fact lennox and mutiple others like I have always said would go undefeated

    I know they would go undefeated cause the way they move and skill level is way higher then in Joe's it's easy to see this your problem is you dont want to admit it

    you say joe was great yea he looked good vs people who stood there once he was in the ring with the best mover of all time in the black and white era before ali named jers he looked like the rest stiff basic and slow


    if joe looked like that with jers who moved that good and gave joe alot of trouble what can he do when he is in with somebody who moves way better then that he cant do anything he would be destroyed same way jers did him with easy counters the difference is jers chose to go toe to toe others wouldnt they would stop him when they wanted

    where did you get one liners from nothing I said is one line I always talk in detail more then most here with vid proof which is never debunked with any logic or fact on video

    I still never have received any vid proof of joe moving like or vs like a young razor bowe or anybody else cause he never did and he himself never moved like

    all I get is the same bull quotes he moved good I proved that wrong with jers he didnt and he only moved good when people stood there or else when we compare him he looks like I said basic stiff and slow facts your still a legend so ill call you that but your not keeping it truth

    and I explained why I said I guess cause if we put lennox there he would do it way faster 1st round which means how joe did it wasnt that good

    and to keep repeating that lie quote of how joe was more skilled is odd he wasnt more skilled then jers or close to it joe had better punch variety thats it nothing else so stop and it's been way more skilled then joe so how can he be the most skilled yet lacking mutiple advances in movement while on the move and punch variety while moving your exposing yourself saying that idiotic quote stop you can watch mutiple boxers that move way better then him 70s-90s

    and no Lennox is picked cause he is the right logical choice cause of his height and skill advancement nobody with any logic picks a person like joe or anybody else from that time or before over lennox or mutiple people he fought

    and using tom and ben is dumb since both moved and had way better skill then those in joe era comparing names doesnt work with me your logic doesnt work unless you use it right which is how I used it movement and skill

    vid shows I'm right it doesnt show anything you said to be right its pretend in your mind
     
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  5. BCS8

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    Abe Simon could really eat a punch I'll give him that. Every store selling punches is sold out the moment he rolls into town. The guy just couldn't get enough of them, and that was poor Abe's downfall. God forbid he ever ran into a buy one, eat 3 punch special, he'd go crazy with delight!

    Sadly Lewis is nowhere near Abe's level at really gobbling those punches down. He lacks the ability to let his jab hang out predictibly so that he can get countered over it. Lewis likewise has little ability to huff and puff after his opponent like he's pacman tryna catch a bus, eating them one after the other. Finally, I find Lewis' tendency to fight tall and not hang his face forward like the bonus dinger on a pinball machine despicable.

    Abe Simon's punch eating ability is far superior to Lewis' and clearly there's little contest between these two on that score.

    Hell, rumour has it that Lewis didn't (and I don't want to malign Lewis, here, so take this with a pinch of salt) even like eating punches and employed this thing called "defence" in order to avoid them. :ohno
     
  6. Pugilist_Spec

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    Missed my second sentence buddy?
     
  7. BCS8

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    Nope. I chose to ignore it so that I could write something amusing ;)
     
  8. Pugilist_Spec

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    Lewis would chin Louis in 2 rounds. A 6' 1.5" 200 lbs plodder from the 30s is chow for LL.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

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    Louis was not a plodder...
     
  11. Barrf

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    Watching Louis, I think some confuse economy of movement with lack of mobility.

    I'd also bet if you threw him in against a speed and mobility based fighter, an Ali or Holmes, he too would show a lot more movement.
     
  12. moneytheman12

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    you people need to stop doing that comparing name only watch the matches ray moved better then joe and could punch while moving and punched from more angles he just was way better he wasnt a no name like you tried to act like
    your comparing method is bull nobody is impressive joe fought except Jersey and he made joe look like the rest basic stiff and slow

    and then comparing Weight only it means nothing you people have did that for years try giving somebody who moved good with skill oh you cant so use weight only well using that only means nothing so why use it

    doesn't matter how joe looked vs a person who stood there he needs a match with a moving person who he looked great agaisnt you have none your exposing yourself legend

    and you need to watch others cause holy bowe and mutiple others looked way better cause of tech why your so impressed by joe who is missing mutiple advances they had is odd
     
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  13. moneytheman12

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    no he wouldnt he would move the same way same as he did in jers match he looked like the rest basic stuff and slow
     
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  15. moneytheman12

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    what is the point here he looks stiff still and stuggled compared like I always say
     
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