Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

Foreman wasn’t at the top of the sport for over a decade and a half. He had a few good years in the 70s and one good win in the 90s.

 

Doesn’t work that way.

I give Foreman credit for not being a shoe shining, cokehead alcoholic though.

 

There is no ****ing way on God's Green Earth does any version of Floyd beat the peak version of Leonard. No ****ing way.

 

Foreman fought Hulk Hogan. He’d be all over YouTubers if it were around back then.

 

Every time you debate, people assume that you’re trolling.

How many bans have you had?

Ray never fought anyone EXACTLY like Floyd, but he fought true ATG’s in their prime.

Whereas Floyd simply NEVER saw ANYONE like Ray in his entire career.

How many times have we debated this?


Floyd almost always had a significant reach advantage over his opponents.

Floyd ALWAYS had a speed advantage over his opponents.

Floyd ALWAYS had a skill advantage over his opponents.


If Floyd was ever outsized, he had advantages in speed and skill.


Ray Leonard would have taken away every significant advantage that Floyd was used to having.


Ray could match him for skills.

Ray could match him for speed.

Floyd never fought ANYBODY that could match his skills and speed.


Whilst Floyd was better defensively, he wasn’t better offensively.

Offensively, he had NO ADVANTAGES over Leonard.


If Ray was getting outboxed, which would have been a big IF, he’d have turned the boxing match into a fight, where Floyd would have shelled up and fought very defensively, which would have negated his own offence. He would not have engaged Ray in a fight.

As soon as Ray put the pedal down, Floyd would have had no answer. He didn’t have the firepower or the will to have fought back. Floyd was a safety first defensive fighter in the majority of his fights at WW and above. He was a points scorer who had hand issues.

Floyd didn’t fight anyone like Ray where he won.

So run along back to your PS4 you fool. Because that’s the only way that Floyd would ever have beaten Ray Leonard.

 

1986 is bizarre really. He wasn’t even active. So we’re better off assuming it’s the version who fought Marvin in 1987.

How would Floyd have taken a decision, had Ray have fought him aggressively?

 

He showed enough in 1987 against Marvin.

The following year, he knocked out Donny Lalonde at SMW.

How would Floyd have coped with an aggressive Leonard who possessed that kind of firepower?

If Leonard was getting outboxed by the naturally smaller man, he’d have turned a chess match into a fight.

 

No.

Only in your mind.

Floyd held zero offensive advantages over Ray, and if Ray had fought him hard, Floyd would have backed off and shelled up.

 

Let’s just use the version from 1987.

 

Any of your posts regarding Floyd are painful.

What did you say the other month?

That Floyd would probably have beaten Hagler. SMH.

What is this nonsense above?

What a joke.

You are a fantasist.

 

Leonard never matched Floyd’s skill set?

Get real.

Floyd was better DEFENSIVELY.

Ray was better OFFENSIVELY.

At WW and above, Floyd did not possess any offensive advantages over Ray. None.

Ray threw blazing combinations that Floyd didn’t.

Ray used a much bigger variety of shots.

Ray had great timing, great accuracy, but much more firepower.

On what planet did Ray remind you of Oscar De La Hoya??

What on earth are you talking about?

What a bizarre comment.

That just tells everybody how out of your depth you are on these kinds of threads.

 

I would only compare their welterweight renditions since they both spent a fair amount of time there and I think Ray was better in that class