Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

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Perhaps this could of happened.

 

do you mean resume cause that doesnt work with me I said skills and its a fact

 

why are you talking on rec or box I dont use quotes I'm one of the most original people here i use no stats from site ether none of it matters to me I focus on movement and skill

styles doesn't work with me floyd beat people who hit harder them him and who had better defense with speed your flawed

seems like you need to get it straight

never fought the caliber yet beat more skilled people resume means nothing it has nothing to do with h2h so using that quote means nothing most know here quotes dont work with me and they been knew you must be new to me legend im not new to you

I can show vids of floyd outclassing using mastered skill of both his era's young and old you cant show ray doing the same since he never mastered his style so your flawed you have to use original words with me cause the quotes will just keep getting shot down

 

Great parody.

 

So again who in your opinion did Mayweather beat who were close to these fighters in style or skill:

Thomas Hearns
Wilfredo Benitez
Roberto Duran

Go ahead and match up 3 of the opponents that in your opinion match those 3 boxers skills.
And lets not forget- all of those wins by Ray were while all of them were in their primes.

 

Read carefully:

Floyd looked more skilled to you, because:


Floyd had more fights.

He officially won all of those fights.

He fought weaker competition which meant that he was more dominant.

There’s more footage available of Floyd looking more dominant.


However, if you possessed knowledge of BOTH fighters, you’d know that Ray was equally as skilled, but just in a different way, with a different style.


Once again:

Floyd was better defensively than Ray.

Ray was better offensively than Floyd.


If you break down their skills and look at their technique, repertoire, balance, timing and accuracy etc, they are equals.

Floyd doesn’t possess a higher level of OVERALL skills.

 

You’re just waffling complete nonsense as per usual.

Floyd beat MORE fighters.

He didn’t beat MORE skilled fighters than the best guys who Ray fought.

What do you mean Ray never mastered his style?

What on earth are you talking about?

What you mean is:

Floyd had more longevity.

It’s a joke when I have to help you to explain your own thinking.


All of you guys are an embarrassment.

You, No Neck and White Bomber.

“Floyd wins as per usual”

“Anything that they could do, Floyd could do better”

“Ray lost to guys, whereas Floyd was unbeaten”


Every thread.

Same old, same old.

Rinse and repeat.


None of you EVER offer ANY hypothetical breakdowns based upon how they’d have matched up stylistically.

You are just cheerleaders who possess zero knowledge.


Let me simplify things for you:

Floyd was one of the greatest fighters of all time.

I wouldn’t even argue with anyone who proclaimed him to be the GOAT on a H2H basis, in terms of ability.

However, in an actual H2H fight, Ray Leonard would have been made a significant favourite over Floyd Mayweather for 3 reasons:

1. Floyd had NO offensive advantages over Ray.

2. Ray would have taken away every significant advantage that Floyd was used to having over his opponents, such as: Speed, skills and reach.

3. Floyd only had one road to victory, whereas Ray had TWO.


Now come back and counter these points.

Give us a breakdown.

If Ray had turned up the heat and fought Floyd aggressively, Floyd would have retreated into a defensive shell, which would have negated his own offence. Being better defensively, wouldn’t have helped Floyd to have won the fight. Floyd was a safety first fighter with hand issues. He would never have engaged in a shootout with Ray. It wasn’t in his nature, and he didn’t possess the attributes for it.

It would have been a boxing match, unless Ray hadn’t have felt comfortable. As soon as Ray had turned the chess match into a fight, Floyd could not have beaten him. It’s that simple.

Floyd was simply not equipped to have fought against an aggressive Ray Leonard.

An aggressive Ray Leonard would have beaten Floyd Mayweather.

Now if you don’t agree, then come back and give me SOMETHING to debate.

 

There were plenty who had the edge in terms of offense over Mayweather, yet he still beat them.
I've said this before, you people are too blinded by your hate for Floyd the man, thus you don't objectively look at Floyd the boxer.

 

Hate?

I have literally just typed:

‘I would have no arguments if someone proclaimed Floyd to be the GOAT, based on a H2H basis, in terms of ability’

I have no hate for Floyd.

My hate is of ignorant claims made by guys such as yourself, who put ZERO thought into any hypothetical match, where you just automatically choose Floyd based upon your default setting.

You have shown ZERO objectivity in this thread. Absolutely none whatsoever.


Once again, Floyd had a significant reach advantage over most of his opponents.

Floyd had a significant speed advantage over almost all of his opponents.

Floyd had a significant skill advantage over EVERY opponent.


Ray Leonard would have taken all of of the above away.

Floyd NEVER fought someone who was equally as skilled and as fast.

Nobody.

Not only was Ray as equally as fast and as skilled, he was also stronger, with much more firepower.

He was also much more confident, with a bigger heart.


Floyd had no offensive advantages over Ray, and he couldn’t have beaten an aggressive version of him.

 

Canelo was bigger than Marvin, my friend.

 

SMH.


Canelo was heavier than Marvin.

Oscar was the one who was bigger than Marvin.

So what?


Why do you always compare sizes etc, and ignore the actual match ups?


Fighting Canelo and Oscar is not proof that Floyd would have moved up specifically for Marvin.


Floyd would never have fought Marvin at JMW-MW.

A horrible stylistic match up for him.

 

Go find me a fighter who beat more champion southpaws than Floyd and I’ll give you one calorie of my attention.

 

Your attention?

You’re so hopelessly out of your depth in these threads, it’s painful to watch.

We’ve already had the southpaw discussion.

That is not evidence that he’d have fought Marvin Hagler at MW.

Why don’t you try and process that.

Get back in the real world and look at what Floyd did and didn’t do in real time, in his own career.

 

I don't get why people expend so much time and energy seriously arguing with tiresome alts, trolls and biased, patronizing know-f*ck-alls whose intentions are just to disrupt the forum, derail threads and/or act like they're above people. Just ignore them or stick them on block if the mods aren't going to ban them, since one can't carry out the rightful path of recourse over an online forum, which as we all know would be to smash an empty bottle of Coors Lite straight in one of their faces.