Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Perhaps Leonard sat out because he was waiting for Hagler to start slipping and wasn’t interested in high risk/low reward fights like Curry.

    Mayweather compromised to put a 152 weigh in limit without a rehydration clause. Canelo would not go lower but was comfortable with 152 as he had made that weight not long before. It was as natural as Hagler’s weight and you’d know that contracted weights have been around for ages if you knew the sport like I do.
     
  2. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm glad you agreed that Mayweather demanded Canelo shrink to fight him. If you want to rest your hat on the fact losing eighteen pounds and putting it back on in twenty fours hours didn't affect Canelo that's okay. I'll let unbiased readers of our conversation decide whether or whether not an athlete who loses eighteen pounds and puts it back on in twenty four hours is at a disadvantage or not. Would you agree that as Hagler was getting older Sugar Ray Leonard was getting older too or is it your contention Sugar Ray Leonard defied the laws of nature? As an aside I'm familiar with catchweights. That's why I credited Floyd for not demanding Canelo shrink to 145.
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    Leonard was actually at a physically prime age, unlike Mayweather who was 36 and at his fifth weight.

    Canelo made a career out of fighting smaller fighters early in his career, often weighing in at 152 or less so he could bully on fight night. He did this because it was advantageous to him. It didn’t weaken him because he had a great team behind him. Otherwise, he would’ve started his career at 160.
     
  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is a fact that Sugar Ray Leonard fought Marvin Hagler at his natural weight and that Floyd Mayweather demanded that Canelo Akvarez shrink down to 152 pounds to fight him. It is your opinion that losing eighteen pounds and putting it back on in 24 hours didn't put him at a disadvantage. That's why I said I would allow the readers of this thread to decide if the opinion you arrived at was the right opinion. As an aside if Floyd thought making Canelo shrink down to 152 pounds wouldn't put him at a disadvantage why did he demand it?
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    What’s weird to me is this concept that you have about natural weights, as if an arbitrary weight limit that a sanctioning body imposes determines what is comfortable for a fighter.

    What you don’t seem to understand is that giving away weight in ring is a huge disadvantage. It’s the reason why Fury is champ instead of Wilder.
     
  6. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "...Giving away weight in the ring is a huge disadvantage" for the lighter opponent. I agree with you one hundred percent. That is why it was so impressive that Sugar Ray Leonard came up in weight and defeated Marvin Hagler at his natural and chosen weight and it was less than impressive that Floyd demanded Canelo shrink to fight him.
     
  7. White Bomber

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    I am not a Floyd fan, thus I am more than objective. And I have thought about this matchup.

    No he won't take any of that away. All SRL has over Mayweather is reach. I see Mayweather as more skilled and just as fast.

    He fought Pac.
     
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  8. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Does it make a difference SRL was 4' 1/2" inches taller and had a 3' 1/2 " reach advantage over Pacquiao and their styles weren't remotely similar?
     
  9. Turnip mk3

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    Ray KO s Floyd. To much firepower .similar to Norris Taylor.
     
  10. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    same quote why didnt nobody else come close if it was that simple he fought mutiple who hit hard see how your flawed
     
  11. CleneloAnavarez

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    Leonard UD. Floyd will get outworked.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

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    Sugar Ray Leonard most likely just overpowers Floyd at some point in a decently competitive bout Rays just too much of everything. This isn’t a disrespect to Floyd but this isn’t his weight class.

    I’m not pointing fingers at anyone it is at the casual level. The trend of hating on Mayweather is getting long in the tooth he was who he was and I’m proud to have grown up with him and Pac.
     
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  13. Loudon

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    How is it a fact, genius?

    How can I hate Floyd, when I literally typed that I’d have no issue with anybody calling him the GOAT based on a H2H basis.

    Obviously you’re not even reading the posts.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I prove both of you wrong all of the time.

    So what if Floyd fought a dozen southpaws?

    It doesn’t mean that he’d have fought Marvin Hagler.

    Have a word with yourself.
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd didn’t compromise at all.

    Get real.

    It was 152 or no fight.

    Canelo accepted it to get the fight.

    And this is the guy who you believe would have fought Hagler.

    You are absolutely deluded.