Yes but the hardest punching cruiserweights, were still punchers at heavyweight. I would be very surprised if Herbie Hide didn't hit harder than Hasim Rahman for example.
Now we are obviously talking about both guys on their best night otherwise whats the point. On their best night i cannot see how Lennox Lewis cannot get a quick-ish knockout. Im talking 5 or 6 rounds, and i love joe. Of course joe is capable of the knockout but im gonna go with lennox here but i wouldnt argue with anyone picking joe
Your anecdotes don't really mean much. Schmeling couldn't punch close to modern HWs. People just find excuses for Louis' dodgy chin.
Louis doesn't need excuses for his chin. He wasn't getting sparked by a single punch, and he was only being stopped after sustained beatings. Schmeling probably didn't his as hard as the harder punching modern heavyweights, but that is not the point. There is a lot of overlap between the power of the hardest hitters under 200lbs, and the fair punchers over 230lbs. It is kind of irrelevant, because Louis was taking punches from guys who were bigger than the Klitschko's anyway I would be very confident in saying, that Louis took harder punches, than the one from Ramhan, that knocked Lewis out cold. There is nothing to suggest that Ramhan was an exceptional puncher, except that he was heavy, and he stopped Lewis.
Both of their chins tend to be underrated. There is no argument against Louis chin unless sniffing glue is a favorite pastime. You can't fake 25 successful defenses. If you wanna tell me none of those guys could hit I would ask you to put the glue down. I pick Lewis in this case not just because of size but the way he used it. He had more precision than most anyone that big. Sharp, straight right hand was an absolute laser. Not crude or fat with his punches. Lennox Lewis was uniquely gifted.
Well, as it so happens, I gave up sniffing glue just last week…so I’m all good. Excellent post. I might not agree with the outcome but at least you’re balanced and well reasoned . It’s one thing to have superior size but it’s another thing again when a fighter actually uses it to full advantage - which Lewis often did. For contrast, a comparably sized guy like Bowe, generally didn’t take full advantage of his superior size, in fact, he literally negated his superior size in more than a few fights, IMO, thereby making his life a lot tougher than it should’ve been.
Better to have a so called dodgy chin than one that sees you put out snoozing, removing all doubt. Ad nauseum I know BUT Louis was KO’d only twice - one after a sustained beating over near 12 rds - and one when Joe was well beyond his prime and shouldn’t have even been lacing up the gloves. . To submit those as examples of a poor chin is wholly disingenuous. Schmeling punched Joe hard enough and often enough to cause a swollen jaw that was at least comparable to, if not worse than, Ali’s massively swollen jaw (so bad, suspected broken but not so) after Frazier landed his power left hook on the right side of Ali’s face, over and over and over, during the course of 15 rds. Tyson was beaten down and knocked out by Douglas in similar fashion to Louis (vs Schmeling) - did that equate to Mike possessing a dodgy chin? Of course not. Otherwise, where are the excuses? Unlike some, Louis’ career doesn’t reach for or require any excuses. He literally cops the Schmeling loss on the chin - whereas many pundits will never cease trying to reason a fighter like Tyson out of his own, irrefutable and legitimate loss to Buster or excuse Lewis for being lackadaisical and complacent when he was starched by single shots. Louis is a fighter no one needs to find excuse for. Louis excused himself back then by quickly arising from what were essentially flash KDs, several of which involved an off balance Louis being knocked over by a counter shot.
well thats not how it works we put him in how he was he loses why does he need access if he was so called so skilled to compete see it's like I always said to you people he would be way to outdated in movement and skill
no joe wasn't Mercer and holy was way better then joe what are you watching stop saying quotes others use that are idiotic and no joe didnt have the power to ko lennox since he never would land why do you people keep acting like we dont have vid of joe struggling to hit jers who moved way better then him lennox didnt move as much but he was way more polished and used his reach to a great level then anybody joe ever fought so why would you say that you people are just ridiculous with giving joe a chance when he obviously would be out cold in a handful Lennox didnt go just stand toe to toe with certain heavy hitters he kept distance joe wasnt one but he could keep constant people in a stunned phase until they dropped why would lennox go toe to toe when he could just punch him from range to people dont use any vid proof never joe never would land since he never would get lennox to stop moving he is finished fast