Sugar Ray Leonard circa 1986 v Floyd Mayweather 2007

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  1. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes, just look; bringing up more facts!

    You complained it was just the Norris fight so to satisfy you, I brought up two more

    Nobody ever destroyed Floyd

    "Everything ray Leonard does, Floyd does better" - general consensus of boxing experts everywhere.
     
  2. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ray had more losses, suffered more knockdowns

    Floyd had more titles, more wins (more is better!), no losses, suffered fewer knockdowns (less is better!)

    maybe you just have your head on backwards

    Everything Leonard does, Floyd does better
     
  3. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He had all the confidence lacking in a 50 - 0 fighter
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It’s not the general consensus.

    I’ve never debated even a SINGLE PERSON who believes that Floyd possessed a better offence than what Ray did up at the higher weights.


    How could Floyd have done EVERYTHING better, if he couldn’t hurt people and knock them out in the same way?

    How could he have fought better if he didn’t actually fight aggressively?

    How could he have fought better, if he didn’t throw the same combinations?


    The statement is a fantasy statement which has been made up by you and No Neck without any thought.


    The thing that I really don’t understand is this:

    I know that you possess a lot of knowledge, as I’ve been reading your posts for years.


    So please answer me this question:

    Why on earth do you want people to consider you as being an idiot??


    I get that trolls like to stir things up for their amusement. But why would you want somebody to think that you’re dumb if you’re not?

    It’s absolutely bizarre.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We’ve already established two things:


    1. Floyd didn’t do everything better, as again, he wasn’t as good offensively.

    2. None of the above is relevant in a H2H fight.


    Marcos Maidana was a crude, B level fighter who was beaten by Amir Khan.

    Yet he almost beat Floyd just 8 months after Floyd’s masterclass over Canelo.


    Styles and attributes are the 2 main factors when looking at a fantasy fight.


    Now comeback and offer an ACTUAL BREAKDOWN.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    His confidence never matched his ability.

    Or shall I list all of the BS that he pulled throughout his career in order to remind you?
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Leonard took Hearns best shots in 81, Floyd never faced a puncher like Tommy.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd never fought a true ATG whilst they were prime.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How does it feel to look like a fool, when we could have had an honest debate instead?
     
  10. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you dont want an honest debate. Stating facts drives your blood pressure up.

    To deal with this, you may want to lay off 24 Hr boxing for a while

    Either that, or try not to pick fights with posters better than you

    "Everything Ray Leonard did, Floyd did better" - general consensus of boxing experts everywhere.
     
  11. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    same could be said about Leonard

    Duran was in his prime as a lightweight

    Hearns was 3 years from his

    Benitez? Who cares!

    Lalonde? who cares!

    Hagler: at least 3 or 4 years past his

    Camacho: 10 years past his
     
  12. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Could you please provide me and the readers of this thread a citation for your proclamation that it is the "general consensus of boxing experts everywhere" that "Everything ray Leonard does, Floyd does better"? Thank you in advance . In the absence of a citation would you agree with me that it is fair for me and the readers of the thread that you made it up?
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There’s nothing wrong with my blood pressure.

    I’m happy pulling you apart.


    I’ve been asking for a breakdown for 2 days now, yet you can’t give me one.


    There is no general consensus that Floyd did everything better.

    Any knowledgeable fan knows that Ray was better offensively and more powerful.


    Why don’t you give us some quotes from these experts.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Benitez, who cares?

    And you expect people to take you seriously?

    You are an embarrassment.

    And if you’re only pretending to be dumb, then you genuinely need to see a psychiatrist.
     
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  15. Mark Dunham

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    and I'm happy pulling you apart

    With Floyd's superior numbers

    His undefeated record

    COMBINED WITH:

    all of Leonard's knockdowns

    the bogus Hagler win

    His bogus WBC middleweight title

    His bogus supermiddle and light heavyweight titles

    His trouncing at the hands of Norris

    His embarrassing loss at the hands of Camacho (who was made in the image of Floyd)

    an knockout loss during a sparring session

    "everything ray Leonard did, Floyd did better" - general consensus of boxing experts everywhere