Hatton may be more popular in Manchester, and perhaps in the UK. I reckon if you ask the average person from gen Z they won't even know Hatton, if they do, they'll know him as the guy who lost to Mayweather. Myself, outside of the Mayweather and Pacman fight, can only recall highlights of the Tsuzu fight. Since he retired, all I recall is drug problems, and autobiography, his son, and a few appearances on YouTube. But Bisping is more well known in the States, and around the world (especially South America and Mainland Europe), he even has a popular YouTube channel where he has likely branched out to non-fighting fans.
This content is protected i thought boxers could take anything? Gee its almost as if they to can get ko in martial arts.
Yup. It's pretty well-known that most of those MMA clowns pack glass and would get DESTROYED by even old, washed up boxers. Here's a prime example: This content is protected
Ray Mercer was already very old, 50 years old, and Chavez Jr. is a natural middleweight without discipline and on drugs, against Silva who is a heavyweight, even so the fight was even. This content is protected They can't even with one youtuber less with a boxer in their PRIME. Mma is not a real fight, its rules favor the guy who hugs.
Shannon actually admitted years later that he was having a hard time with the kicks in that fight, he said if he had eaten one more he probably would have had to hit the canvas. Bear in mind Erickson was not a kickboxer, he was a wrestler with below average striking even for HW MMA standards. Yes Ray was old, but if we're gonna bring up the Tim win then lets not conveniently leave out the rest. We can go back and forth with this forever though. I mean Jarrell Miller was a kickboxer with two losses to middle aged post-UFC Cro Cop. Helenius was gifted a win in the ammys over Kharitanov. Lucas Browne was an MMA guy who switched to boxing. Fury should have an official loss on his record to McDermott, who had previously been KO'd in the first round by C level K-1 guy and 0-1 in MMA (incidentally vs Tom Erickson) Matt Skelton. Mayorga went 1-3 in low level MMA. Paulie talked a lot of **** then get his face bust up in bare knuckle by a guy with a losing record in MMA. Toney, one of the toughest most fearless boxers ever, suddenly realised "rolling around on the floor" was a bit more than he thought it was and tapped out vs a 47 year old. Rivas and Takam couldnt stop a 40ish Fabio Maldonado who once got stopped in 35 seconds by Stipe. Francois Botha went 4-12 in kickboxing etc etc.
Actually a lot of the rules today are designed to make grapplers less dominant if anything. 5 minute rounds. not allowed to wear a GI or wrestling shoes anymore, ref discretion stand ups for inactivity, no headbutts, no strikes to the back of the head etc.
Yup. When they stand up and fight like men, it can be entertaining, as their fragile mandibles are often quickly exposed. But when they roll around on the floor, it is beyond boring. I'd rather watch paint dry.
Silva is a hw? Can you just admit you two know nothing about combat sports outside of boxing? I doubt if you know much of that either. There are kick boxers who have far better striking who get manhandled on the ground. Claresa shields barely won against a 3-8 fighter and lost by an unknown chick who was 2-0 . Just except that your favorite boxers like canelo would get manhandled by a high school wrestler. Including me a black belt in judo and a blue belt in bjj. Id choke out fury with my pinky.
It blows my mind that a situation where you can be thrown hard to the canvas, strangled into unconsciousness, have your arms and legs snapped in half, get your head sliced to ribbons with elbows, have the back of your head bounced off the canvas from punches etc etc, can be dismissed as "hugging" "rolling around on the floor" and "gay". It reminds me a bit of when you get clueless ****wits strolling into boxing gyms challenging fighters and coaches, because after all they just hit each other with pillows right? how hard could it be?
What? Man, look at what Canelo Alvarez did to Billy Joe Saunders. Billy Joe ducked - Not for a takedown, of course, but to get his head out of punching line, but in a similar fashion to something a grappler would do to get to the opponents legs - and Canelo timed him, punching him with a uppercut that broke the man's orbital zone. The funny thing is that, when grapplers talk about fighting a boxer, they think they will you just go there and take them down without being punched, without realizing this is just as delusional as a boxer thinking he will just go straight up punching a grappler without suffer a takedown attempt.
UFC gained popularity because it was the only combat sport that kept working through the pandemic. With few exceptions, boxing has stopped it's operations for 2 years now. The biggest names in the sport have barely fougth in those 2 years. That's hard to keep people's attention when there's no fights going on. Also, the reason UFC has been growing so much historically is that boxing promoters are really old guys from past Internet age. They had all the contracts with the big TV networks, so they didn't understand how important Internet would be for the entertainment business in the following decades. On the other hand, UFC, being a company trying to promote a new sport, without the money and connections that boxing promoters already had, had to rely on anything that could pump their numbers. Internet was a quick way for the UFC to gain young fans for minimum money and almost without competition. Boxing has only started to invest in the Internet in the last 4-5 years, in disorganized fashion. It's through a younger generation of boxers, that grew in the 90s-00s and had lived their whole lives with Internet, that boxing has started to get a connection with a younger generation of fans. You start to see this with people like Ryan Garcia, who's probably more popular alone than all the UFC champions combined, but also other guys trying to get into social media, like Devin Haney, Gervonta Davis... Even Canelo is more active. Also, in the early days of the UFC, because MMA was basically a thing only in Brazil and parts of America where wrestling was also big, you had americans, especially working-class white americans, having a huge presence in the upper level of MMA. Guys like Mark Coleman, Couture, Tim Sylvia, Frank Mir, Brock Lesnar, Chuck Lidell... That way, it was easy for working-class white americans, the majority of the population of the US, to get into the sport. Now, with MMA becoming a more global sport, something boxing already was, the demographics of their top level fighters started to change. Now, you look at the champions in the UFC and they mostly come from Africa, Brazil, Russia or the Caucasus. Very fast the huge bump that MMA had in the late 2000s and early 2010s where UFC had 3 or 4 guys selling around 1m ppv every fight (GSP, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Brock Lesnar, Chuck Lidell...) came to the point where the only guy that can sell 1mi+ ppv in America is Conor McGregor. Fighting is too much of a personalistic sport, so maybe someone show up to change the bigger picture, BUT I'm inclined to believe boxing will have a huge renaissance in the 2020s and MMA will slow down. Also, I think sports that focus only on grappling will grow up a lot the next decades.
