Joe Louis Versus Muhammad Ali

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  1. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The great Emmanuel Steward picked Muhammad Ali:

    If they fought, I think Ali would have definitely, I feel in my mind, beat him because Ali was the computer printout of everything that was a problem for Joe Louis. The movement which Joe had problems with, even in a little small light heavyweight Billy Conn and Jersey Joe Walcott, those guys Joe always had problems with. I was fortunate enough to get to know one of his best friends who came from Detroit like I did, and he said Joe’s management always had to keep him away from boxers, people who could move, because Joe had problems with movers. But you know, he did what he had to do. He beat everybody of his era and held the title for so long and was a perfect gentleman when it comes down to what was required and necessary at that time.

    https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/127951
     
  2. BCS8

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    Impossible, combination puncher of all time, savage power, dat jab etc etc etc just read the Louis vs Povetkin thread for a complete breakdown.Young kids these days like ALI just dont have the fortitude and chin of the old guys.
     
  3. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My friend, Ali was one of the most courageous fighters in the ring there was and had one of the best chins in the history of the heavyweight division:


    Chin: One of the ironies of the career of Muhammad Ali is that for years the old-timers questioned his courage and toughness. They watched him dance and slip punches and concluded if he was ever hit squarely by a serious puncher he would fold up like a cheap suitcase. How wrong they were. In fact, Ali proved too tough for his own good. Precious few boxers in the history of the sport have withstood the kind of firepower Ali took from Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Shavers and Holmes. Ali was knocked down only four times in his career, by Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper, Joe Frazier and Chuck Wepner. And it should be noted the Wepner knockdown was the result of “The Bayonne Bleeder” stepping on Ali’s foot at the moment he landed a right hand to the ribs

    https://www.thefightcity.com/top-12...ssius-clay-joe-frazier-george-foreman-boxing/

    As to fortitude he did his best work in the ring after his prime and fought ten rounds with a broken jaw.

    Muhammad Ali was a lot of things but being soft wasn't one of them.
     
  4. 70sFan865

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    I don't get the reason why you started trolling Louis so much. Is it that unreasonable to pick him against Povetkin? Does it really hurt you so much?
     
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    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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  6. BCS8

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    I see Louis getting him in trouble early with his all time combination punching and then that's all she wrote. As we all know nothing can stand up it it ...
     
  7. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Three fight series louis takes it. Louis might lose the first but will win next two
     
  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mid sixties Ali beats any HW who ever lived.

    That includes both Joes.
     
  9. SaintPreem1999

    SaintPreem1999 New Member banned Full Member

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    There isn't a single trainer, fighter or boxing historian who saw both Louis and Ali in person that believed that Ali was a better fighter. Not Ray Arcel, not Fleischer, not Eddie Futch, not even Ali's idol Ray Robinson, the idea of Ali being the GOAT is a psyop that began with the fanboys of his generation.
     
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  10. ThatOne

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    We have a lil thing called film. It was invented in 1895.
     
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  11. PRW94

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    Ali wins after 15 rounds of hell and gets beaten up along the way.

    A multi-fight series, IMO both fighters would score victories.

    Ali is No. 1, Louis No. 2 on my heavyweight ATG list.
     
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  12. SaintPreem1999

    SaintPreem1999 New Member banned Full Member

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    How does that derail my argument? The fact is nobody who saw them both in person believed that Ali was a greater fighter, if there is one that you know of I would be happy for you to educate me.
     
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  13. SaintPreem1999

    SaintPreem1999 New Member banned Full Member

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    What about the gif that I posted? Is that factual or is that just an image of my feelings?
    You mentioned this supposed analysis done by Jimmy Jacobs and didn't even provide a source.
     
  14. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    FOTC Frazier would give Louis more problems than Ali
     
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  15. ThatOne

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    Res ipsa loquitur:


    "Ali was Sugar Ray Robinson squared," boxing film collector, historian and manager Jim Jacobs once said. Jacobs told Ali biographer Thomas Hauser that, having long called Robinson the greatest ever, he'd made a close study of films of Robinson and Ali, including timing the speed of their punches. He said that Ali, 63 pounds heavier than Sugar Ray when both were at their best, was faster. 1


    The Muhammad Ali of 60’s was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film. 2

    1 https://tinyurl.com/2p9bsz33

    2. https://coxscorner.tripod.com/ali.html