Joe Louis vs Alexander Povetkin

That's baseless assumption.

So what Takam has in his style that would make him destroy Conn? You didn't mention anything other than size.

Cool, you can do anything you want in these hypotheticals. Doesn't change the fact that some of those "bums" Carnera faced and beat were actually better than Takam.

I didn't say I'd take that version of Wilder. Wilder peaked in 2017-19 period when he weighed within 212-223 lbs range, not close to your 240 lbs value. Unlike you, I pick the best version of fighter possible in hypotheticals.

 

keep spinning that

Chisora doesn't have much skill: agreed.

Where I disagree is that Chisora has no power. He does. It's a question of whether he can land it or not.

Takam lit Chisora up like a bonfire when they fought. But Chisora had the chin to weather the storm and the power to take his puncher's chance and get the W:

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Nah.

Actually I did. maybe you should go back and re-read my posts.

Or, that era was worse.

I think the version that fought in Fury 3 was hitting harder than ever and absorbing the incoming better. He lost a bit of speed and snap, but not enough for me to pick a stringbean version over him.

 

Don't see anything funny about it.

I didn't say that Chisora has no power, I said that he's not massive puncher... and he isn't. He is a guy who is strong enough to hurt you when landed, but his delivery is mediocre and he can't box. If Takam couldn't take such opponent, it says more about Takam than Chisora.

Well, it says something about Takam's boxing skills and (previously noted) stamina if he couldn't earn a decision against hopeless Chisora.

 

Then make a thread, let's seeif you find one poster who agrees with you.

No, you said that Conn wouldn't hurt him and that he's too big. Nothing else.

Could be, but you'd have to have very strong evidences for that.

If you really think that Takam is better than someone like Jack Sharkey, then we have no reason to discuss further.

How can you say that he hit harder? How can you say that he absorbed shots better?

Also, Wilder already hit hard enough to knock out any opponent when landed cleanly. Why should we bother with any hypothetical additional power, if he lost his speed and explosiveness - something that made him so dangerous?

 

I agree, but some other observations need to be made, if you are talking about a Conn Takam fight?

I apologize if I am wrong.

Conn is not just a good little man, he is arguably a pound for pound great, while Takam was never among the best.

Giving up a lot of weight, is not nearly as bad, as giving up weight + reach.

If Louis had problems with Conn, then it is hard to imagine Takam having an easy time with him!

 

Whether or not wilder weighed 238 once is not a matter of opinion since we know it happened. It doesn't matter if I "agree" or not. You essentially cherry picked wilders career highest weight.

I went ahead and did the math for what his average weight would be from Harrison (his first name opponent) to the recent Fury fight. It's 211. Wilder weighed 230+ for approximately 2 fights in his entire career and he lost both of those.

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion Galento was "only a few lbs bigger or about the same" when Galento had 19 fights where he weighed over 230. That's over 20 lbs more than Wilders average weight of 211 in the last 18 fights (wilders average would be even lower if we included his earlier career).

 

So in Wilder's last 18 fights, he weighed an average of 211 lbs? Since his lightest weight in those fights was 212½ (first Fury fight)... I wonder how you reached that number?

 

Wilders lowest recorded weight in a title fight, vs Louis's highest weight in a title fight?

The difference is not even chicken feed!

 

Wilder averaged 224 lbs in last 18 fights.

 

There you go again, lad, talking about a non-existent knock-down.
There was no knockdown.

There was a standing eight count because the ref believed that the knockdown that never happened, would have happened if not for the ropes.

And that was a legitimate course of action for the ref to take.

Somewhat competitive ?

A fairly major walkback from your earlier assertion that Povetkin went life and death with Price.

That has NOTHING to do with being competitive.
A fighter is not competitive if he loses every single round and gets cleanly knocked down in the third on his way to getting knocked clean out in the fifth.

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David Price

Yep, that was one walkover. What Povetkin did to Price was another walkover.
There's loads of others too !

We could debate the humour in being dropped by Price IF, Price had actually managed to drop Povetkin.

As the record clearly shows, this did not actually happen.

 

Except it did happen. When the ref issues a count and the only reason you didn't touch the canvas is because of the ropes, you were knocked down. And the round is usually scored 10-8 for the guy who did the knockdown. No, Povetkin did not literally touch the canvas, but according to the rules of boxing he was knocked down. I could honestly care less if you agree with the verdict, but it was amusing seeing you accuse me of walking back while here you are with your foot in your mouth babbling about how a count can be legitimate but the knockdown somehow wasn't.

I didn't take anything back. I both believe it was somewhat competitive and that went Povetkin got blasted taking 8 steps backwards like he slipped on ice and was knocked down, it was a life or death situation and a sign if weakness in a fight. You can, after all, lose conscious or lose in such a situation.

Well if you get to use double think when it comes to the rules of boxing, I feel entitled to use the word competitive how I see fit.

Well, no, he encountered resistance in the form of a thunderous shot that knocked him down.

Louis' fight was a 1 sided clean sweep with no resistance.

Well, he did. The ref believed that was the right call. It's almost as funny as seeing you talk out of your ass.

 

You're fighting a losing battle with reality, Cobra.

There was a standing eight count, no knockdown.

For there to have been a knockdown there, Povetkin would have to have been knocked down.

And he wasn't.

Pretty straightforward.


When the Price Knockdown was counted, Price was actually knocked down, and did not get up again till the ref reached the count of eight.

Povetkin was on his feet from the beginning till the end of the ref's STANDING eight count.


Cut and dried. If you check Boxrec, it states:

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Notice Boxrec states that Price was DOWN in the third and that Povetkin was COUNTED."





But none of that matters a jot, even if Povetkin had been KD'd.

My original response was to your utterly daft assertion that Povetkin went "life and death" with Price.
Did somebody use the word laughable somewhere ?

Realizing that you'd very clearly got that wrong, you backed up a bit and downgraded your assertion to "Price was somewhat competitive."

You can reasonably claim that the last fifteen seconds of round three was somewhat competitive.

The rest of the fight was not.


As anyone who actually watched the fight and understood what they saw in the ring knows, the fight was a one-sided beat down where the loser lost every round and got brutally KO'd in the fifth.