Gloved Era Fighters, That John L Sullivan Beats??

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    If Big John L gets the gloves on and fights any Heavy weight champ from history, and in their time and rules, who's the best he whips?
     
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    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Maybe gallops around and decisions an ancient Foreman.
     
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    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Can't picture John L galloping around anyone.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I pick all kinds of creeps to beat old Foreman.
     
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    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It would be hard to picture Morrison galloping too.
     
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    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's practically no way to assess what Sullivan would look like in a modern gloved boxing era other than his roughness , power and his willingness to fight. Trained properly I think there's some guys he could get outta there but it's sheer unsupported speculation
     
  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But not Sullivan. 90s Foreman kills him
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Shut up you idiot.
     
  9. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're the idiot for making such a statement in the first place.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    **** off White Bomber.

    You wander round this forum like a simpleton repeating endlessly that [more modern fighter] will beat [less modern fighter] "easily", over and over and over again, contributing literally zero analysis, and in causing upset to people on the forum who are making minor or major contributions, actually achieving net - zero as an overall contribution.

    You're a literal waste of bandwidth, fanny.
     
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  11. janitor

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    He seems to have been very mobile on his feet, albeit for offensive purposes.
     
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    CANNONBALL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sullivan was likely no better than the likes of Roy Shaw, Lenny McClean or Joe Savage. He may have been a decent bar room brawler/street fighter in the 1890s but doubt his skills (or lack of) would stand him in very good stead against highly trained skilled athletes from 50-100 yrs in the future
     
  13. cross_trainer

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    I hate to be a wet blanket, but there's no way to know. I've never seen an elite fighter with old timey bareknuckle-derived skills fighting a modern one. I've also never seen Sullivan in a fight.

    We have pictures and snippets of Old Sullivan film that paint (IMO) a consistent portrait of the man's style. But judging from the fact that @janitor strongly disagrees with me on interpreting that evidence (and we are among the small number who even care about it), I doubt that the evidence is all that clear.

    Who's the best Sullivan could beat? I don't know, and I don't think anybody else does, either. Maybe you could pick Corbett or Fitzsimmons, just because they're close enough contemporaries that you're somewhat comparing apples and apples as far as evidence goes.
     
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    :lol::lol:
     
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    I know, it's frustrating really.
    But we have bit s and bobs of knowledge about the Boston Strong boy I suppose.