Fury was down vs Whyte

African Cobra · Feb 14, 2022

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

It also isn't a confession
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Let's see what happens in the actual contest that is when it matters.

Wizbit1013 · Feb 14, 2022

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

Let's see what happens in the actual contest that is when it matters.
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Agreed

Its a pointless thread

Vegan Beast · Feb 14, 2022

Remember at one point Fury was struggling against the like of McDermott.

He's improved a lot. 23 year old Fury is unrecognisable to the 33 year old now.

African Cobra · Feb 14, 2022

Wizbit1013 said: ↑

Agreed

Its a pointless thread
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Won't be the first one my friend.

Boxing2019 · Feb 14, 2022

The chin in sparring doesnt count as in the fight

Shempz · Feb 14, 2022

BCS8 said: ↑

I also think Fury will beat Whyte but I'll have a good frikkin laugh if Whyte is the guy to pop Fury's cherry.
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His cherry was popped years ago by John McDermott!

exocet76 · Feb 14, 2022

Sparring doesn't mean a great deal as it's a completely different dynamic. and people approach it differently.
We will see if they actually fight at some point. although I'm not that optimistic with Heavyweight other than Usyk at the moment.

navigator · Feb 14, 2022

Shempz said: ↑

His cherry was popped years ago by John McDermott!
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Post a scorecard and explain how/why you scored the rounds, if you truly believe that.

I don't ask for anything I'm not prepared to provide myself;

navigator said: ↑

I wouldn't state that Fury had a legitimate case to have won the fight, but nor was it a categorical victory for McDermott or a robbery. The popularity of that opinion had as much to do with the prevailing negative sentiment toward Tyson at the time (his personality, his background), as well as the everyman's excitement at seeing his representative threaten to upset the rather homespun apple cart that Fury and Hennessy were pushing uphill (Tyson was never close to being the most hyped UK heavyweight prospect of the twenty-first century). Yes, O'Connor was almost certainly consciously favoring Fury with his verdict, but 95-95 would have been a quite valid and defensible score for the jackass to have posted. Fury-Wilder I is, objectively, a much clearer case of a rightful winner being screwed out of his moment.

It can't be said that I don't support my position with a scorecard and a breakdown of how and why I split the rounds, unlike many who reference this fight;

Just went back and scored this fight for the hell of it. Better to have a scorecard/breakdown to support a point.

R1 Fury 10-9 McDermott
R2 Fury 10-9 McDermott
R3 Fury 10-9 McDermott
R4 Fury 9-10 McDermott
R5 Fury 9-10 McDermott
R6 Fury 9-10 McDermott
R7 Fury 9-10 McDermott
R8 Fury 9-10 McDermott
R9 Fury 10-9 McDermott
R10 Fury 10-9 McDermott

Fury 95-95 McDermott

It's the classic gut check for a touted prospect, but coming in the novice phase of a pro career, on account of a big early step up by a young kid with modest amateur experience, yet to develop his man strength and yet to see the 5th round of a fight. Fury could have trod water and fought a few more flabby Latvians, but he took on a recent British title challenger on his turf and learned some things instead. Nobody can fairly say that he didn't handle the duress well overall.

McDermott showed industry, some nous and plenty of heart, but it wasn't enough of a performance for anyone to claim categorical victory on his behalf. Three of his rounds were really good rounds, namely 4, 5 and 8. He won them big (or pretty big), looked really authoritative in them. Makes sense, he was a mature man and fighter and a capable operator. Fury doesn't have those kind of rounds in the fight, even though I found all the rounds easy enough to score, and I think that's an influential factor on the reputation of this bout, aside from 'underdog turns up' syndrome and the negative feelings many had (and some still have) about Fury.

To break it down;

Sessions 1, 2 and 3 provide resistance to test Fury, but he gets more of note done than his stocky rival, plenty of good work that some will elect to ignore, including bodypunching and good digs on the inside. He nullifies McDermott's bustle for the most part, looks in control. Sky's commentary is poor – if Watt isn't distractedly blathering about how deficient Fury is while the latter is actually doing work, he's crediting McDermott for something that didn't land (0:19 remaining in the 3rd is but one example). Not to say that McDermott isn't having some moments in these early sessions, but rather that Watt has his knife sharpened for Tyson from the early going for whatever reason.

McDermott's pressure really tells from the 4th onward, as Fury perceptibly sags against the pace and it becomes less of a test and more of a trial of discomfort for him. McDermott's jab has its best showing in the 5th, with Fury working more than he did in the 4th and having his moments but overall less effectual than in the earlier rounds, with McDermott giving a clear impression of authority by this point. Similar story in the 6th, though to a little lesser degree, Fury still showing plenty enough signs of life but McDermott with the edge in authority. (Watt oddly chooses this moment to buck his trend and praise Fury while suggesting a deterioration in McDermott – it's still better than listening to Matthew Macklin, I suppose.)

Spirited 7th from Fury to spite his mid-rounds dip, highlighting his innate affinity for a donnybrook, but John McDermott's work is just the better of a very competitive session as he retains his edge in the generalship. The 8th is an excellent round for the Essex man, his best yet, but Tyson abides. First minute of the 9th is good for McDermott, but Fury reverses the tide in the second minute as John now seems to be wilting some from his exertions – the referee breaks to fix tape, McDermott comes back a bit fresher for the final minute of the round, Fury eats a good right up top as he whales away at the body of McDermott, but lands his own right and clearly sickens his man as the clock moves into the last 20 seconds, swinging the session in his favor.

Fury gives a weary McDermott the business for most of the 10th, now looking the fresher. McDermott rallies somewhat inside the last minute, landing a nice jab which snaps Fury's head back, giving the impression of a connection on the follow-up right which actually whistles right by the face of the Wythenshawe giant, and getting home a couple of solid rights in the last 20 seconds, but too little and too late to swing a round that has been largely controlled by Fury.

Fat Terry's 98-92 scorecard is abysmal, for which the only vague excuse is that he was doing two jobs, but McDermott isn't any hands down deserving winner of this fight. One can perhaps fairly argue that he has a slightly better case for the W than Fury, but a draw is the truest reflection of the contest. John would've ended up winning it for me if he'd had a better final minute of a competitive 9th, but Tyson found what he needed to swing that one his way with a little harbinger of what would happen to McDermott in the rematch.

He had a trying spell, but young Fury (not [url]Young Fury[/url]) dug deep and ultimately gave as good as he got, salvaging something from a situation that would have waylaid a less authentic talent. And he immediately committed himself to a rematch in the post-fight proceedings, pledging to stop McDermott in a return bout and keeping his word within a year. Nothing to dislike there.
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NEETzschean · Feb 14, 2022

navigator said: ↑

Post a scorecard and explain how/why you scored the rounds, if you truly believe that.

I don't ask for anything I'm not prepared to provide myself;
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The thing about revisionism is it works both ways. Was 98-92 too wide? Sure. But McDermott was fortunate to not have at least one pointed deducted in the 10th round for turning his back on Fury twice (once while running away) when taking punishment. Fury was heavily favoured to win and the relatively small "David" McDermott massively overperformed relative to the expectations, so a close fight became a "robbery". There was also the feeling that McDerm, fighting in his hometown, had got the sh*tty end of the stick in his last two fights, so losing yet another close fight (especially by such a large margin) seemed very harsh.

It's Ovah · Feb 14, 2022

Leeroy84 said: ↑

Er, the world

You surely don't mean the "Quitter" do you???

We agree Wilder is a bum, so?????

Don't be so butt hurt bro, when Fury unifies them all, he'll retire and your nightmare will be over.
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Very likely Fury retires before he fights Usyk. He doesn't want any part of that man.

It's Ovah · Feb 14, 2022

NEETzschean said: ↑

He's a troll who devotes most of his hours on boxing forums to hating on Fury. He's not going to be very intelligent, honest or intellectually consistent. There will be no apology from these cretins when Fury dominates Whyte, there will just be more excuses and invective as always.
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I suspect Whyte puts up a much better fight than many think. If Fury dominates him fair play, but he'd be a fool to underestimate him.

vast · Feb 14, 2022

Fury beats that glass jawed blimp from pillar to post.

MarkusFlorez99 · Feb 14, 2022

Whyte has absolutely no chance. Fury will control him with the jab and uppercut that wafer chin right after he easily slips Whytes sloppy left hook.

Povetkin blasted him out in 5, surely Fury can do it in 4

kriszhao · Feb 15, 2022

Vegan Beast said: ↑

Remember at one point Fury was struggling against the like of McDermott.

He's improved a lot. 23 year old Fury is unrecognisable to the 33 year old now.
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Steroids sure help while taking all your hair away. Barry Bonds 2.0

destruction · Feb 16, 2022

AJ was knocked out cold by David Price in sparring. It took him 15 seconds to come to.

What bearing would that have ever had on a fight between them?

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