Which heavyweight champions lost the fewest rounds?

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  1. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ill guess Vitali. Roy only had one fight so he doesn't count.
     
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  2. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think that most posters here recognize Vitali as a true Heavyweight Champion, unless we count Alphabet Belts.

    I agree, though, that he certainly didn't lose a very high percentage of rounds.
     
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  3. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think most posters are wrong then. He would beat most guys who were legitamate champions whatever that means.
     
  4. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think most consider Lineal Champions as the true Champions. I do agree with you, though, in that I can think of a lot of Lineal Heavyweight Champions that Vitali would probably have beaten. Vitali was recognized as Lineal Heavyweight Champion by Ring Magazine.
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    Did Edwin Valero lose a round?
     
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    Only in one fight did all judges agree he lost a round, however, in that fight, two said he had lost three out of 9 prior to the 10th round stoppage.
     
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  7. dinovelvet

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    King Kong Ortiz lost very few if any rounds. Of course the rounds he lost were the ones he got flattened and knocked out in
     
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  8. Saintpat

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    I assume the criteria to start with is lineal champions?

    And then by how many rounds they lost, do we mean how many they lost after winning a belt, after becoming lineal (for those who unified or gained lineal status after winning a portion of the title) or in their entire careers?

    Also only in championship fights or beyond if they lost the title (most did)?
     
  9. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    World champions only and whole career.
     
  10. Saintpat

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    Best guess would be John L Sullivan.

    I don’t think they scored rounds in those fight-to-the-finish affairs. And most of his fights were short KO wins.

    But there’s really no way to tell on this. There’s not an accurate accounting of the scoring of every fight every heavyweight champ fought on the way up.
     
  11. JunlongXiFan

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    I believe in his day rounds were ended at each knock down.
     
  12. Saintpat

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    Yeah but I’m not sure they were scored as such. And you could also wrestle a man to the ground or throw him.
     
  13. Bigcheese

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    Wlad definitely didn't lose too many
     
  14. Saintpat

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    There’s a lot to sort here methodology-wise for starters even if we could research with exactness.

    I mean if a guy wins a 15-round split decision, that means even rounds aside one judge probably gave the other guy 8 rounds (throw in a few even rounds and it could be 7 or even 6) but two judges gave him a like number of rounds (and in some cases more if there’s a wide disparity) — so if the scores are 146-141, 145-144, 143-146 .. how many rounds did he lose in that fight? Say judges in some combination gave his opponent 7, 4 and 5 rounds, how would we count that as number of rounds lost?

    And if a guy gets knocked out, the round of stoppage isn’t complete but he obviously lost it — unless it’s stopped on a cut, or of course some guys are stopped between rounds.

    So it’s … complicated.

    If we throw out the days before they started scoring boxing by rounds and newspaper decisions then we can make some educated guesses, but back to the research problems we probably aren’t going to have scorecard info on the earlier part of most guys’ careers — we know he won by KO 3 for instance, but we don’t know that he didn’t drop one or both of the first two rounds.

    So there’s no real way to answer this.

    But …

    It stands to reason what we’re looking for is a heavyweight champion who had a relatively short career and wasn’t involved in a lot of long, competitive decision fights (even wins).

    Taking educated guesses, I came up with a couple for starters:

    John Tate likely lost around 30 — maybe 35 — rounds in his 37-fight career. He blew a fair amount of guys away and was pretty dominant in more of his decision fights than not. His fights on the way up and during his comeback were by and large opponent types who probably didn’t win a lot of rounds and what film we have of a few of those backs that up.

    He did win a split decision over Johnny Boudreaux on his way up and lost a couple of rounds to Eddie Lopez. His ascension to the top was a first-round KO of Duane Bobick, a one-sided hiding of Kallie Knoetze and a one-sided decision of Gerrie Coetzee where Gerrie was given 2 and 3 rounds on the official cards. He lost it by KO in a fight where he was far ahead of Mike Weaver, then he was stopped by Berbick (my memory was Tate was cruising along fairly well until Trevor turned it, but that’s a long time ago and I haven’t watched it since).

    After that he won like 15 in a row over opposition of little note. What scores we have there are shutouts for Tate and he also had some early KOs.

    Then he lost a unanimous decision in his final fight — but no idea if that was 10-0 in rounds or 6-4.

    All told, he doesn’t seem to have lot a lot of rounds.

    Another candidate is Michael Spinks. Most of his career was at light heavy. He had two close decisions with Larry Holmes and also 15-round tussles with Qawi and went a competitive 12 with Eddie Davis.

    Looking at what scoring we have and knowing his earliest fights were one-sided, I gather he probably lost roughly 35 rounds in his 32 fights.

    So there’s a couple of benchmarks we could start with if there’s a real desire to figure out an answer to this one.
     
  15. doopapoopy

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    Well in his prime Foreman only lost a few rounds.