the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Bernard Taylor vs. Eusebio Pedroza, for Pedroza' s WBA featherweight title..

15 Round Draw, 146-146. Taylor ran the whole fight, while Pedroza didn't do much to counter Taylor's running.

 

I watched this fight awhile ago, when I was watching Pedroza's fights. Horrible fight to watch this was literally the definition of running from Taylor.

Didn't bother scoring the fight as I wasn't into it, but you could pretty much score most of the rounds even because hardly any punches were landed.

 

Fogger, just to clarify a few points. This was not the rounds scoring basis that was used in New York and New Jersey at the time. It's an easy mistake to make. This was California's point system of 1 point for a round (none for the loser), 2 points for a round incurring a knockdown or a battering and none for an Even round. So actually, your scorecard would have read 6-3 for Mando Ramos on points, not rounds. Mine was 5-4 for Mando. This point system also allowed judges to be liberal with their scoring. You were right about Dick Young's card. It was 6-5, not 7-6 how boxrec has it. And clearly Young gave Mando a 2 point round somewhere during the contest. There was nothing wrong with this scoring system. An old friend of mine who was a west coast scribe described it to me as exactly like the 10 point system used today, only less math. And he was absolutely right.

As for the issue with the announcing, due to contractual obligations they had to switch to the news (it may have been KTLA) at a certain time which wouldn't allow for them to air it and there was no reason for the commentators to continue their diatribe.

 

Thank you for dropping the knowledge on me.

 

The whole world did.

 

Crawford vs Dulorme

Crawford has now moved up to 140 pounds.

The fight starts well for Dulorme who looks big and solid. Very technically sound and Crawford isn't able to do much.

In the third Crawford has started to find his range and now picks apart Dulorme, but when the ending comes in the 6th its quite sudden. Crawford drops him heavily and then as one of the best finishers in the game he goes to town and ends the fight.

 

Crawford vs Lundy

I feel for Lundy in this fight, he just isn't able to get any momentum going. He came out in the first looking like a tank. Very strong, wild and unpredictable and he probably edged the first round here.

But Crawford has so many facets to his fight and when he has to, he will meet fire with fire, which is what happened here and Lundy couldn't survive the big exchanges.

Of course when he slowed down that suited Crawford even more.

Soon it was Lundy on the back foot trying to survive, but Crawford is such a good finisher, he never gave him that chance.

Crawford overwhelms him in the 5th and the fight is called off after Lundy beats the count.

 

Interesting...

I thought Gamboa's start was quite brilliant, but Crawford started to figure him out and time him from about the fourth round on, once he switched to southpaw. From that point forward, it was his fight to lose, despite the fact that Gamboa remained dangerous due to his speed and explosiveness.

 

The judges saw it the same as you as well tbf.

But for me Gamboa consistently beat him to the punch, landed clean combos and really made Crawford look anything but P4P.

I was really impressed with how good Gamboa still looked despite being past his best and overweight.

 

Oh, Gamboa looked great, yeah...especially early. I think Crawford showed some p4p ability to overcome the deficit in speed and on the cards, and eventually grind him down. But, even then, after getting dropped a couple of times, Yuri was able to shake Crawford badly with a left hook before getting stopped himself. He would have been a handful for any contemporary lightweight you can think of that evening.

 

Yeha Gambia was looking good all the way until the knockout.

Division was razor thin then, he probably beats anyone but Crawford.

 

Decided to take a break from my Duran project.

Naseem Hamed (c) vs. Kevin Kelley, scheduled for 12 rounds for the WBO featherweight championship on Dec. 19, 1997, at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

Hamed is 28-0 (23) and weighs 126 pounds. He's making the ninth defense of his crown and is fighting on American soil for the first time.

Kelly is 47-1-2 (21) and weighs 125 1/2 pounds. He is a former WBC champion.

Both are southpaws, although Hamed switches back and forth from time to time and is, of course, very unorthodox.

1. Kelley 10-8: Kevin puts him down, second time Hamed has been knocked down in his career.

2. Kelley 10-9: They grade knockdowns. Kelly gets the nod because he landed far more clean punches and did a job on Naz with his jab.

3. Kelley 10-9: No knockdowns but Kelley's jab and clean shots with the left hand in particular put this one in his bank.

4. They trade knockdowns again, then Hamed puts Kelley down for good at 2:27 to win by KO.

My card: Kelly 30-26. Official cards: 28-27 across the board in Kelley's favor.

Delightful slugfest, a truly electric fight. Hadn't see it in a while and I'm glad I took the time.

 

Luf, with all this chatter on Crawford v Gamboa, I thought I would give it another look-see.

Terence Crawford v Yuri Gamboa (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 3: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 4: 10-9 Gamboa
Round 5: 10-8 Crawford (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 Crawford
Round 7: 10-9 Crawford
Round 8: 10-8 Crawford (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: Crawford drops Gamboa twice and the fight is called

Total through 8 completed rounds: 77-74 Crawford (actual scores: 77-73, 78-72 and another 78-72 all for Crawford)

Rewatching this was brilliant. I don't think anyone has ever given Crawford this kind of a fight. You guys all summed it up well. I will mention one observation about Gamboa that has always annoyed me. Let's face it, he doesn't have a Chuvalo-like chin. More Amir Khan-ish to tell you the truth. And every time he has been hurt in his fights -whether it's just an arrogant kind of reaction - he sort of walks into his opponent with his hands down as if to say, "Didn't hurt!" And then promptly gets nailed again. Oh, man, that had to be frustrating for his corner. But again, good fight.

 

Yeah I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

I think I had the same card as you but I gave 1,6,7 to Gamboa. I just preferred his speed to Crawford timing.

But he really didn't protect his chin at all that night.

 

Crawford vs Postol
1:9-10
2:9-10
3:9-10?
4:10-9
5:10-7
6:10-9
7:10-9
8:10-9
9:10-9
10:10-9
11:10-8
12:10-9

117-109

First off, the pre fight a weights given are a sobering reminder of how futile cross era comparisons are.

Crawford 157, Postol 152. This is supposed to be a 140 pound fight ffs.

Postol starts the fight quite well, he holds centre ring and has good success with his long jab.

Round 4 sees Crawford figure out the puzzle and start tagging Postol with a left counter every time he opens up. Even better for Crawford he scores two flash knockdowns in the 5th which essentially ended the contest.

If Postol tried to increase aggression, Crawford matched it and caught him more. If Postol slowed down, Crawford just timed him with ease.

This victory, in such dominant fashion really underlines the P4P credentials of Crawford. But that's a double edged blade as its probably his best opponent to date, which puts a bit of a ceiling to the ratings.

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