I feel Frazier would have taken Wilder out with counter hooks

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel Frazier would have taken Wilder out with counter hooks because Wilder stays on the center line after punching making him easy to counter, however Fury cheated v ilder by holding after hitting to stop Wilder countering and grabbed Wilder in headlocks, putting all his weight down on his back which made him gas, Frazier wa better than Wilder and Fury, but if Fury wa allowed to hold the much smaller Frazier there`s a good chance he could have beat Joe the same way he beat Wilder.
    Could Smokin Joe have beaten Fury and/or Wilder prime for prime?
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury's too big

    But Frazier puts a beating on Wilder
     
  3. Themessiah

    Themessiah El Jefe Full Member

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    Frazier destroys Wilder
     
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    rodxd By Popular Demand banned Full Member

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    Probably true. Both like 215-220 range aside from bulked wilder for the 2nd and 3rd fury fight. Beyonce also has a suspect chin being rocked by eric molina and stunned by breazzle
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Probably true but Breazale was a banger.
     
  6. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member banned Full Member

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    Yeah smokin joe would kill wilder, we could already see how great he did against someone like foreman, who is not even punching nearly as hard as wilder. Also wilder would definitely fold under fraziers power, even thought he took punches from a guy that is literally 5 weight classes above him.
     
  7. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is not establishing a jab against Frazier. Wilder is not setting up the right hand against Frazier. Wilder has miniscule puncher's chance, because the window between Joe being outside and moving in inside to demolish him is small, and Frazier's preferred fighting range naturally crowd's his right hand, preventing full extension.

    What's there to bail out Wilder? His worse than a 10-years-old-on-a-skipping-rope balance? His mediocre conditioning and utter lack of punch variety other than jab-right hand-windmill?

    A bad referee who allows for incessant, Akinwande-esque clinching would be required for Wilder to have a chance, and even then he might not Frazier away.
     
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  8. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Frazier would've ultimately ran Wilder over and pounded him into submission.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Since when has Wilder faced the amount of hooks Frazier would throw at him and when has he had to deal with that constant head movement? Wilder cannot fight on the inside, his feet are all over the place.
     
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  10. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You don't get it: 6'7 modern athlete KO artist champions don't stand a chance against 5'10, half-blind, slightly chinny 205 pounders from 50 years ago. Wilder just doesn't have the speed, reflexes, length or power to KO African American super-athlete Frazier in the first round.
     
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  11. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder would have destroyed Frazier. He's a midget.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Reflexes? Check how many punches Frazier slipped v Ali then show me Wilder doing the same, Frazier`s defense were far better and Wilder only weighed 212lbs in his first fight v Fury, his legs were skinny as hell.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He was also more skilled than Wilder and had a far better left hook.
     
  14. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure, but he wouldn't land enough of them. I'm not aggrandizing Wilder here; Frazier just doesn't have the attributes or style to compensate for his lack of size against modern HWs.
     
  15. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Wilder beats Ali & Frazier on the same night