Mike Tyson's amazing NEGATIVE records

You are as clear as mud! You are using an oxymoron, and we are just meant to presume you are only talking of Heavyweights?!


If you want to gaslight us, fine. But first let go of the light and run away! You have kept hold of it and it has blown up in your face; gas will do that!

 

Ali was no longer the same Ali after taking 3 years off but he still was able to beat Foreman.

Part of the measure of greatness is sustaining it. You don’t see one-hit-wonders hailed as being among the greatest bands of all time.

 

Larry Holmes was the World Heavyweight Champion.
Michael Spinks was the World Heavyweight Champion.

They were the WORLD heavyweight champions just like Max Schmeling, Max Baer, Joe Louis and Jersey Joe Walcott were the World Heavyweight Champion.

Mike Tyson won all the alphabet belts that existed at that time ... and, at the same time, Michael Spinks was still the WORLD Heavyweight Champion.

Tyson became the World Heavyweight Champion when he knocked out Michael Spinks.

The only "belt" Joe Louis or Jersey Joe Walcott or Max Schmeling or Jack Sharkey "held" or were presented with was the RING belt.

There were no BELTS recognizing a world champion (other than the Police Gazette belt more than 100 years ago or the Ring belt) until 50 years ago.

Nobody had a World title belt except the Ring belt.

 

Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks were most definitely the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS. Just like Joe Louis was the World Heavyweight Champion.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Mike Tyson beat Michael Spinks for the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE.

Organizations come and go. There is always a new belt.

 

What record? He beat TWO men who held the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT title. Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks.

Do you believe there was no World Heavyweight Champion between Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson?

Who do you think Mike Tyson won the WORLD heavyweight title against? Tony Tucker, who won a vacant IBF strap three months earlier?

 

The WORLD champion is the World champion.

Or are you one of those guys who thinks if Tyson Fury and Usyk fought, they would still have to beat Trevor Bryan, or the claim is DISPUTED?

Hell, Lennox Lewis never held the WBO belt. Holyfield never held the WBO belt. Buster Douglas never held a WBO belt. Tyson never held the WBO belt. Were none of them World Champions, either?

This is nonsense.

Using your criteria, Tyson never lost to ANY unified champions - because Lewis, Holyfield and Douglas never held the WBO strap.

Mike Tyson beat TWO WORLD CHAMPIONS (Holmes and Spinks). And he lost to three (Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis).

 

Spinks was 215lbs not sure when tyson fought him at 170

 

The comparison is void for a few reasons:
- Ali tricked Foreman, who punched himself out in the scorching heat of Zaire;
- Holyfield was way more skilled than Foreman;
- an out-boxer has more longevity since he doesn't need to use as much energy as a pressure boxer;
- Holyfield and Foreman are two entirely different boxers. Ali wouldn't beat Holyfield.

Nobody claimed Tyson was greater than Ali. I've always said that Tyson beats Ali prime vs prime, not that he is greater.
But Tyson's achievements are enough for him to be rated among the top 10 HWs of all time.

 

It's not the same thing. It's way easier to just win 1 match than 4