Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson

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  1. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali fought some of the Heaviest Hitters in any era of any Heavyweight division and was never TKOd...Tyson is not TKOing Ali so he can not win.....Ali takes him to deep water and drowns Him end of story.!!!
     
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  2. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali's style and lack of power won't trouble Tyson.
     
  3. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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  4. Philly161

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    I can't help but laugh at people saying Tyson would intimidate Ali or get inside his head. Ali literally, 10 years apart, absolutely embarrassed and dominated the most intimating heavyweights at the time. Ali was far more susceptible against guys he didn't take seriously. From Doug Jones through Neon Leon, Ali's closest calls and losses were against guys who were not intimidating to him at all.

    Besides that, this is prime for prime and everyone keeps talking about Ali in 74 or whatever. Ali from 64 to his first retirement did not have a bunch of lackluster training camps or as many distractions. He was in NOI, pumped up on perceived divine support, and still hungry to prove himself. He wasn't going to get caught cold like he did against Norton or Spinks, and even if he did he's going to have his peak recovery powers and reflexes.

    Can Tyson knock Ali down? Yes absolutely. Possibly multiple times. Can Tyson KO Ali? Nobody ever did. Can Ali come back from a knockdown and stop the other guy? He did multiple times.
     
  5. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    60s era was quite poor. Tyson is well above Ali's competition.
     
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  6. Philly161

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    I don't think it was, but even if I agreed, were the 70s poor? Because a faded version of Ali was the greatest HW of THAT era, too...
     
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  7. Rakesh

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    Tyson would not simply run threw Ali in the first 5 rounds, maybe win them with a knockdown at MOST.

    Before I even say anything, I love Tyson, I've read multiple biographies and books about him, I am no where near a hater. Tucker took Tyson the distance, as well as Smith, if Tyson beats Ali it would be a close UD in 12 rounds. Im not saying Tyson can't stop Ali, but it is very unlikely in this scenario with a prime well focused Ali.

    Ali would probably let some of the early rounds off using lateral movement around the ring, Tyson would be chasing and hitting the body,

    Ali would start to infiltrate his jab into the fight around round 3/4. This is where it gets dicey for Tyson.

    Tyson probably lands some big shots (left or right hook to the body most likely).

    Ali from here either outpoints Tyson or stops him late.
     
  8. CleneloAnavarez

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    He lost to Norton and Frazier. His superiority isn't so clear.
    A light hitting jab-cross merchant like Ali (and Holmes) is perfect for Tyson.
     
  9. Philly161

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    I already acknowledged that Tyson had the style advantage. Dubious decisions aside he ended up winning trilogies with both Frazier and Norton and again was not even close to prime. Ali also beat foreman who annihilated those 2. If you rate another 70s heavyweight higher than Ali youre entitled to that opinion but I disagree.

    Ali was not light hitting. He wasn't a top puncher but he had thudding power. ask foreman. Neither was holmes for that matter. Ask spoon. Holmes knocked out almost everyone he fought from 77 to 84. They were both careful fighters esp in the latter stages of their careers and didn't always go for the ko, but they aren't light hitting.
     
  10. CleneloAnavarez

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    Norton beat him, and the second Frazier fight was a great foul fest.

    As for Ali and his "prime", name his opponents from the 60s who fought like Frazier or Norton. (Moore was a fossil when he fought Clay).
     
  11. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A "light hitting jab-cross merchant" isn't perfect for Tyson, not one bit, he has the style advantage but besides that, I dont see your point.

    Any semi-hard punch feels like a Foreman punch when you are gassed getting cut up and bruised by a jab for 10 rounds.
     
  12. heerko koois

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    1988 Tyson ko,s any version of Clay/Ali
     
  13. Salty Dog

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    It's boxing. Anything can happen. That said, Tyson is mentally weak compared to Ali. If his opponent is not intimidated and/or **** doesn't go his way after awhile, Mike starts coming apart at the seams at which time Ali pours on the gas and finishes him. Ali by late TKO or disqualification.

    The Real Deal would have a better chance vs Ali.
     
  14. James Hudson

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    If Henry Cooper can trouble Ali with a hook then why cant Tyson?? I think too many write off Tysons chances in this
     
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  15. Salty Dog

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    Tyson might trouble Ali with the hook, but if he doesn't get the KO in the first 5 rounds Ali makes the adjustments and picks Mike apart with increasing ease all the while talking a ton of **** to him. By round 10 Mike is worn out mentally and physically and starts looking for a way out. The Greatest turns it up another notch for the stoppage. That's if Mike hasn't already tried to bite both Ali's ears off for the DQ.
     
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