Wilder will use a spiritual trip to decide boxing future

It's all good.

 

It’s time to just retire If you have to fry your mind to hallucinate yourself into continuing with boxing. You either believe in yourself and continue or just retire.

 

There is no equivalence there because he's the one putting his life on the line your at home watching

 

There are many things in the world far more dangerous than boxing. Putting boxers on a pedestal at the disservice of others isn't as noble as you make it out to be.

 

Wilder took significant punishment from Fury to the point where he should retire after his 'trip'. There's nothing left for him. He'll never beat Fury and was unwilling to fight Joshua.

 

Knew a guy...long ago. Everyone considered him to be an ok guy. He was very well read and articulate. Took LSD a few times. Took one trip too many. Ended up that you could see him around town bumming money from strangers. If you talked to him he would babble on and make no sense whatsoever. Talked to his brother and he said that he had taken a trip and just came down off it and never was the same.
Can you imagine what this babbling moron ...Wilder....could end up like if he were to start tripping the light fantastic on LSD?

 

I'm not sure how people could still be picking Joshua over Wilder.
Anthony Joshua is already shot in my opinion. Still beats most decent guys of this era, yes, but will continue to lose to any of the top 3 he comes up against. He's gone gun shy and there's no coming back from that for a fighter like him.
Wilder would definitely land the big right hand, probably more than a couple of times and AJ doesn't have the capability to recover (or the heart, chin?).

As it stands, I don't know whether I'd pick him to beat Dillian Whyte in a rematch. Would be an intriguing fight.

 

Spiritual trip ?

He mean 'vacation' ?

 

I respectfully disagree. Joshua got clipped in one fight and confused and schooled in the other. His issue is more mental than anything which can be overcome. Wilder got schooled in one fight and then battered in two and is four years older....
Wilder would struggle to land remembering Fury is the only decent fighter he's fought and two fights was far from being in elite condition.
Wilder was unable to get a static Fury out of there and Fury was not considered Iron chinned beforehand. Also Joshua punches a lot harder than Fury. Oh and Joshua is still actively lookiing to get his belts back and is clearty still active. Wilder has not and spent his entire career fighting weak competition. Wilder wouldn't fight Joshua in the first place and only picked Fury as a name because he thought it would be an easy fight after a long lay off and self abuse.
So no. Wilder is in a far worse position and it's not even close for the myriad of reasons I've given above.

 

When the mental issue is losing belief in ability to stick it out when it gets tough, I think that's a lot less easily rectified than you do. People talk about Wilder as a broken man now, which does seem to be true, but Joshua isn't far off that in my opinion. Took the latest defeat really badly and was (I think) really hoping to be saved from his upcoming rematch by a step aside fee.

Say what you will about Wilder technically, all of it is true. He's got nothing in that regard.
What he does have is devastating knockout power and at the least, enough to buzz Anthony Joshua pretty badly. We've seen on a few occasions how badly AJ reacts in those situations. In comparison, Deontay Wilder showed in the Fury trilogy that he has as much heart as any man. Said he wanted to go out on his shield and did exactly that after coming back from some big blows and knock-downs before he was finished.

The point you make about Fury's chin doesn't really make much sense as it hadn't been so seriously tested many times previously, but can't be in doubt now. We saw shots from Wilder actually put his lights out momentarily and then one which literally shook him to his boots and he was able to recover remarkably quickly both times.

Anyhow in a division where it's very, very likely that two top contenders are going to see success against each other in certain parts of a fight, I just can't look past that being such a key to getting over the line.

The questions will be:

Can Wilder reproduce his Fury III desire/performance? If so I think he beats AJ with it.

Can Joshua get back to the aggressive, lethal finisher that he probably was a few years ago but hasn't shown since? If so it's a live fight in which he is potentially the slight favourite.

I'd be more inclined to think the former is more likely to happen.

My question to you is. Do you think Wilder would land a big one in a fight with AJ? If so, do you see AJ recovering well?

 

I think we need to look at closer details to get the nuance.
Firstly I think we can both agree that Joshua became more reticent after the first fight with pudding. This led to a more defensive minded Joshua moving forward. I think your disrespecting Usyks win over Joshua who clearly attempted to box with the more skilled boxer. who displayed quicker hands and feet that left Joshua confused and unsure of himself.
Secondly your asserting your opinion as fact regarding the step aside. I clearly stated in previous posts that the Fury v Usyk fight could not generate enough for it to make sense ie they would not be able to offer enough considering what Joshua's earning are considerably higher than the other two.
Personally I think it would have perhaps been more sensible to have a confidence building fight in between but Joshua seemed determined to try and get the belts back. So I disagree with you on that point.
We have to consider that Joshua was pushed quickly and was fighting a far higher level of competiton than Wilder and Fury at the same points of their respective careers and AJ's resume is clearly deeper and showed intent from the start to unify and try and become undisputed. The only other person at heavy who has shown that focus is Usyk.
AJ had faced adversity and been decked before against the likes of Vlad and got up and won. I think his vulnerablity is overstated considering he's only been stopped once versus Wilder getting badly beaten twice.
I've said many. many times on here we don't know Wilder's true KO power as the only decent fighter he fought was Fury who was never considered iron chinned and he couldn't take him out on three attempts. two of which Fury was not even in half decent shape.
We understand that heavy handed fighters especially at heavy can look great as they can blow out the guys early on in their carreer. however when you step up that no longer happens and my point is Wilder only fought Fury so and failed. so there's a question mark therefore regarding whether he could knock any of the top guys out.
I wouldn't mind but I don't particilarly like Joshua but I have to push back on the nonsense that gets said on here. I'm equally critical of Fury who I do like but I can be objective and point out the weaknesses when he get's overrated as potential GOAT.
It should also be noted that Wilder gets credit for the third fight howerver that was more that Fury was very poor and failed to finish Wilder who was gassed after two rounds. The fact is an elite offensive heavy would have got Wilder out of there pretty quickly and we wouldn't be having this converstaion. It should also be noted that Joshua hits a lot harfer than Fury and is far more skilled than Wilder. who because of the lack of skill is going to struggle against guys that are mobile and can negate him landing the right hand.
I think if Joshus and Wilder fight 10 times Joshua wins 7-8 times out of 10. There's risk for Joshua but he's not going to be sat there like a fat lump so Wilder can tee off him.
Again your pointing to the third fight as great performance when both performed poorly. Wilder started decent enough but then just dropped his gameplan after the first round..Yes he showed guts staying on his feet but you need more than that and a right hand if your facing an elite opponent.
So I respect your opinion and discussion on the matter. but I disagree as the evidence for me points the other way.
The thing is we will never truly know as Wilder always avoided the top guys in the division. that's all we can go off. as that shows intent.

 

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Why wouldn't anyone still pick Joshua over Wilder? Wilder is way more obviously damaged goods than Joshua at this stage and still a useless sack of shyte. Also looked really slow and sluggish in his last fight. Likely on the physical decline.

Yeah, so Josh got schooled by Usyk. Who hasn't been? If he's gun shy against another opponent we know he'd have spanked in the past then that argument has some legs to it. For now it's speculation.

"Wilder would definitely land the big right hand, probably more than a couple of times and AJ doesn't have the capability to recover (or the heart, chin?)."

He had the chin and heart to take a flush right hand from Wlad. Why wouldn't he be able to take one of Wilder's? And what happens when Joshua lands his shots on Wilder's shaky jaw? Because he'll certainly be doing that early and often.

 

Exactly. Fury was known as being skilled for a big man. He was never seen as having an iron chin or great KO power before the Wilder fights.
I think what's happened is they flattered each other making the other look a lot better than they were. So the third fight which was fun but from a technical and skills apect was several levels below say Bowe v Holyfield. The fact is Fury should have beaten Wilder a lot quicker after the battering of the second fight. He didn't was static and getting hit a lot and took him near the end of the fight to get Wilder out who was done after 2 rounds. I would put my life on it that Vlad or Lewis in that situation. do Wilder in 2-3 rounds without any issues.
Wilder if he comes back fights the bums he was before Fury and there's no indication to think otherwise.