If MOST 90s-2000s punchers hit as hard as Shavers, how would we know?

The percentage of KOs depends on the opposition one faces.

Shavers KOd mostly bums and small cruiserweights. When the opponents got bigger, his KO percentage plummeted.

 

Of course Wilder hits way harder than Shavers. So do Wlad, Liston, Foreman, Lewis, Tua, Morrison, Bruno, etc

 

He did fight Morrison.

 

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He did, to be fair, but Tommy was by no means the only or the biggest banger of the 90s. George knew that.

 

Shaver's scored knockouts and knockdowns with every punch in the book lol. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Just like your buddy, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The "bums" Shavers KOd or stopped, his best opponents, were all larger than him. Clark, Ellis, Norton, Young, Williams, Sims, Smith,, and Bugner were all taller and/or heavier.

When the opponents got bigger, he still scored impressive knockouts lol. Even guys he lost to such as Holmes, Mercado, and Lyle he still managed to knock them down before he gassed out. By all means continue talking out of your ass.

 

I think it's difficult to compare Wilder with Foreman. They seem to generate power the opposite way. George seemed to do it with brute strength. He'd throw these lazy looking slow punches (especially when older) that it didn't even look like he was putting much weight behind, and then they'd land like a nuke went off. Wilder seems to do it by generating huge momentum via speed, and his shots don't seem to land the same when he can't wind up and do it. So I tend to think George had freak strength while Wilder just intuitively gets his biomechanics utterly perfect with that overhand right and is able to simultaneously throw it with every ounce of strength and speed he has.

Shavers seemed between the two.

 

Sanders H2H is overrated but not his power. Klitschko himself said no one ever hit him like Sanders, Rahman also said the same thing, though Rahman was chinny and it was surprising Sanders didn't KO him and puts his power into question. But hey Shavers wasnt able to KO chinny bum Bob Stallings so it's not the end of the world and Sanders rocked iron chin Vitali with a counter. Sanders also has several early round KO's

Also the guys Ruddock and Sanders KO'd were much bigger on average than the guys Shavers fought. A ton of the guys Shavers fought were below or slightly above 200 pounds, some of them being in the 180 pound range which would be around light heavyweight size today. Although Shavers did KO some big guys too.

 

I have no idea if Shavers punched "harder" than some of the 90s to current heavyweights, but I think it would be difficult to compare fighters by knockout percentage in different eras. For a long time now, refs have been letting fighters take an 8 count, then talking to them and looking at them before letting them fight again. The guy who is hurt gets a lot of time to recover, making it more difficult to stop him. There are also standing 8 counts at times and again the referee looks and talks to the fighter before letting his opponent hit him. In earlier times a guy was knocked down, got up at 2-3 and his opponent immediately got to hit him. Different rules might have a big effect on knockout percentages.

From watching Shavers he used everything he had when he punched. He put as much of his body weight at the knuckle end of his glove as he could. He committed on most of his punches and he had good technique/weight transfer.

 

No, you are the one who seems confused.

Shavers's KO performance is mainly based on KO'ing cruisers (sub-200 opponents). Once you check his performance against heavyweights that weight 215+ lbs, it turns out Shavers would merely be a featherfist by today's standards: 11 KOs in 23 fights.

Jimmy Ellis was only 199 lbs, and Shavers could have been DQed (for holding Ellis' head with the left and then uppercutting)
The fight against Joe Bugner ended on a cut.

 

Everyone and their mom bounced Klitschko off the canvas so it doesn't look that impressive. Especially because that's Sanders only elite KO win. Rahman probably doesn't want to give Lewis credit because he's salty and they had genuine beef with each other. He beat Sanders and was KTFO out against Lewis and Tua as well lol.

Briggs has several early round KOs, he actually holds the record for them. That doesn't mean much, it simply means they're very good at destroying low level opposition in a quick spectacular fashion.

 

Shavers wasn't a great finisher. Had he been one, history would be different, since he'd have beaten Ali and Holmes. He had Ali basically out on his feet multiple times and nearly separated Holmes's head from his neck but then couldn't finish the job once Larry got up.

 

You are shifting the goal posts. You said his KOs were mostly against opponents who were at the cruiser weight limit of 200 lbs, now you are changing the conversation to set a limit of 215+. Good job referencing a blog that you didn't bother giving credit to I guess?

Even if we want to use this arbitrary number you (didn't) came up with, some of his BEST KO wins were against opponents who were all taller and/or heavier than him.

Roy Williams was 6'5 231 lbs is that a cruiser weight sized opponent? I noticed you ignored this. He is the only man to KO Williams.

Clark was 6'3 and 222 lbs. Sims was 6'3 214 lbs. Are you going to shift the goal post and change the criteria for the weight again?

Bugner was 245 lbs. Yes the fight ended on a cut, and he dropped him before it was stopped. Are you dismissing the win because his punches caused a cut and the ref ended it? It completely destroys your argument. You claimed his power had no effect on larger opponents who weren't bums and Bugner was no bum.

Neither was Norton was 6'3 and 225 lbs #1 contender.

ALL of Shavers best KO wins were against men far above the cruiser weight limit and who were taller than him. So your claim that he KOd mostly bums and cruiserweights has no basis in reality unless you think Norton, Ellis, Young, and Bugner were bums. If they were, then nearly every KO Tyson scored was against a bum.

 

That's not even the real issue here.

He started off by saying Shavers mostly KOd bums and cruiserweights and that his power was less effective against larger opponents. I pointed out he KOd several skilled opponents who were well over the cruiser limit (some as much as 30 lbs over the limit lol).

When faced with this information, he shifted the goal post to talk about some arbitrary 215+ number that isn't recognized by any sanctioning body. He has no integrity. And the funny thing is, Shavers signature KO win against Norton is a guy whose still above 215 anyways and is certainly no bum.

I am awaiting the next inevitable goal post shift.