Did Evander Holyfield take PEDs

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  1. Thunderstorm

    Thunderstorm Active Member Full Member

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    Did he cheat at heavyweight
     
  2. Robney

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    does the pope s__t in the woods?
     
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  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Is the Dalai Lama Jewish?
     
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  4. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think Evander did but Evan Fields looks a bit dodgy to me...defo on the good stuff.
     
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  5. The G-Man

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  6. AdamT

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    As natural as Ronnie Coleman
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, Evan was 100% clean

    Now Pacquiao, thats a PED cheat

    @JOKER
     
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  8. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    He's my absolute favorite, his body of work is incredible, both in terms of achievement and exciting viewing.

    But yes, absolutely. It's pretty indisputable that he took HGH at the minimum. And changes in his body appearance are suspicious at best so i definitely wouldn't bet the house he didn't take anabolic steroids too.

    The only excuse i can provide is that Evander never seemed to be the most assertive, confident or cunning guy. I think if those around him told him not to, he would not have. I think if those around him told him to, he would have.

    I don't know what it's really like to start a sport as a pre-teen, get to a certain level, really be the best for a time, and then hit a ceiling/decline and have the option of this way to defy time and keep the millions rolling in. I guess I'm not so sure I'd do anything differently, so I never judged Evander or Toney or even Canelo too hard. I feel like it's up for criticism but people usually just want to act like steroids are a magic pill that make you beat every other fighter.

    Lots of guys took HGH and steroids in sports in the 80s-00s. Most of them didnt do what Evander Holyfield did and no amount of those things was gonna change that.

    That's my rationalization and I'm sticking to it.
     
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  9. Entaowed

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    It is indispuable he used & benefitted substanntially from PEDs. Likely a range of substances.
    I am very reluctant to conclude someone did absent good evidence. Just being from a certain time or muscular is NOT good evidence at all.

    Many can get his size-sometimes bigger-& proportionately he had no legs.
    He had great skills & courage, although I do not care how common it was-& we do not know that-cheating & lying about it & stealing victories, money & glory from others due to size, strength & energy you would not otherwise possess is wrong.

    If it was merely how fast he got more mass it would not be damning.
    His sudden early onset baldness & hear problems are suggestive though.
    He also worked (out) closely with 8X Mr. Olympia. Who competed at under 6', right around 300 lbs.-& at undoubtedly a maximum of 5% bodyfat.
    Which was profoundly unnatural, & he has had many surgeries to fix his back problems & even be able to walk again.

    However the evidence beyond the circumstantial is overwhelming & widely known.
    From his Wikipedia page, a summary section is near the bottom above his professional boxing record.


    Allegations of steroid and HGH use
    On February 28, 2007, Holyfield was anonymously linked to Applied Pharmacy Services, a pharmacy in Alabama that was under investigation for supplying athletes with illegal steroids and [url]human growth hormone[/url] (HGH). He denied ever using performance enhancers.[url][61][/url]

    Holyfield's name does not appear in the law enforcement documents reviewed. However, a patient by the name of "Evan Fields" caught investigators' attention. "Fields" shares the same birth date as Holyfield, October 19, 1962. The listed address for "Fields" was 794 Evander, Fairfield, Ga. 30213. Holyfield has a very similar address. When the phone number that, according to the documents, was associated with the "Fields" prescription, was dialed, Holyfield answered.[url][62][/url]

    On March 10, 2007, Holyfield made a public announcement that he would be pursuing his own investigation into the steroid claims in order to clear his name.[url][63][/url]

    Holyfield was again linked to HGH in September 2007, when his name came up following a raid of Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, Florida.[url][64][/url] Signature Pharmacy was under investigation for illegally supplying several professional athletes with steroids and HGH.[url][65][/url]
     
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  10. Sean weir

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    Obviously Holyfield took steroids alongside other performance enhancers like HGH, insulin etc. I honestly believe the vast majority, possibly even all top names in the 90s were on the same. It was not just Holyfield’s body that screamed Junkie.
     
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  11. The G-Man

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    Prove it.
     
  12. It's Ovah

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    Reasonable take. I think it's unfair to single out Evan as some sort of aberrant freak operating in an otherwise clean playing field since we know that's so blatantly not the case, but there's also the tricky issue of just how much of an advantage it gave him in the types and quantities he took (not all PEDs are made the same), and therefore to what extent his achievements can be called his own.

    I'm happy to wash my hands of it and just treat everyone as a rampaging chemical factory fighting for my amusement, but it also means I can't ever really credit a fighter fully, knowing how they likely got there.
     
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  13. Sean weir

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    You’re the only person dumb enough to think Holyfield did not take steroids.
     
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  14. The Professor

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    There are no positive tests that establish this and so therefore it is pure speculation, and cannot - and will never - be a proven fact.

    All of this nonsense and rumor should therefore be treated as exactly that, speculation without any clear proof
     
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  15. The G-Man

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    I didnt say anything about what I think about the situation.
    Merely asked you to prove your argument(which you cant).