Better overall fighter of the 3 Vitali Klitschko, Primo Carnera or Rocky Marciano?

Yes, I like square one. Overall Carnera is better. He has a better inside game then Vitali and an outside game then Rocky. He clinches better, stronger and fundamentally superior. He beat more 200lbs+ guys then any champion in HW history. Hmmmm most KOs of the lineal champions too. What are these inexcusable losses? Vitali was beaten up my old fat Lennox and Rocky has the superior resume of the three yeah, but again like always Carnera takes the silver medal in every sport stacking his deck even more as the overall superior boxer.

 

Yeah I have to agree with Glass City Cobra here. His argument is more or less how I feel.

That said: I also agree with cross_trainer that if you were an aspiring boxer, you'd do better to try to emulate Carnera than the other two. Vitali and Marciano had quite unorthodox styles that would be very difficult for your average person to emulate. Carnera was more technically correct and using him as a role model would yield better results than trying to pretend that you were 6'7 with freak reflexes and titanium chin. Or trying to pretend that your stamina bar had the limiter taken off and that you could throw bombs for 15 rounds straight.

 

His results don't show him to be the superior boxer. You keep glossing over his actual record and that he was mediocre in most stats on film. He doesn't look like the superior boxer.

You are arguing that he is the more technically sound and well rounded of the 3, which is true, but he is not the superior overall fighter. You either aren't getting it or you're simply being hard headed on purpose.

Quarry is way more well rounded and technically sound than Ali, but Ali is clearly the better overall fighter.

 

Seems you didn’t get the memo. I meant there overall skill set. I’ve been explaining to you what I meant by it. Tsk tsk. Carnera is the better overall fighter. Concede to the lord!

 

Skill set=/=better

Again, Quarry has a more well rounded skill set to Ali but he isn't remotely better.

 

He is overall the better boxer. Just H2H he losses.

 

@mrkoolkevin

Vitali over Marciano, why?

 

Marciano was an attrition puncher who bombarded you with countless punches. He had a style of his own and made that work, but you cannot say he is very skilled.
P4p, he definitely is greater given his small size, but better he was not.
Vitali wins this hands down.

 

Attrition puncher who isn't skilled and beats you with pressure wouldn't be able to beat Walcott, Charles or Moore. Or even shot Louis.

 

He wasn't as skilled as any of those guys.
He was simply more durable and better conditioned.
Plus, Louis was old.

 

Yes he wasn't, but they were the most skilled boxers ever. He had enough skills to land on them and not getting hit too much.

 

Well I'm not convinced and my vote isn't changing.

 

Marciano is definitely more skilled than his detractors make him out to be. He did a lot of subtle things that magnified his efficacy, and which made him so hard to deal with even for great fighters. On the other hand, nobody is claiming he was a Ray Robinson.

 

You do not need to be more skilled than your opponents to beat them with volume punching if you have a significant advantage in power, stamina, and youth.

 

Yes, you don't need to be more skilled. You need to be skilled to beat them though.