Is Whyte the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd best Fury fought?

lol

 

No, the thread is saying where Whyte would place in Fury's resume, I am saying even WITH Whyte on there its still pretty embarrassing.

 

Third best behind Wlad and Wilder i'd say.

 

By what standard? Fury's top 5 wins (even assuming Wilder only counts as 1, which is nonsense) are better than any heavyweight of this era (which is still ongoing) in an apples to apples comparison.

 

Well, for the "best heavyweight of our generation", certainly hasn't fought the best of the best.

We can say all day "Well Fury beats Joshua and Usyk!".... well, he hasn't.

Want to be the best? Fight the best, Ali fought 15 times from his first defeat from Frazier in 1971 to 1974 against the top contenders, this was after a LOSS.

I'm not trying to say "well Ali did it so should Fury!" I am saying if Fury really wants to be remembered as a warrior iron hearted boxing icon and known as the best heavyweight in the last 20 years, prove it!

Wilder is not the best heavyweight resume name, he was a cherrypicking one trick pony champion who got exposed at the elite level.

I like Fury, entertaining guy, I want to see him prove to everyone he can do it.

 

My apologies I just misread your comment. Yeah I completely agree. Some could argue for 2nd spot ahead of Wilder who's completely untested against anyone with a pulse.
I think 3rd spot is fair and would where I would place him any lower is just hating on Whyte. who clearly isn't elite but is a solid fringe contender.

 

How can you count Wilder as more than one opponent?
I know why because the number of top ranked fighters is poor. that's why in another post either you or Safin are trying to claim the rankings are worthless. You have to do this as well as undermine people like Joshua or even Lewis with the same fallacy arguments just to try and bolster your own which let's face it is weak.
Especially when we consider that the trilogy was lopsided from the start. Fury schooled him in the first. correctly battered him in the second then made a complete meal of the third. only just getting him out of there. When really Fury should have got Wilder out quicker in the third but he barely trained and looked like crap. getting clipped often and being poor all round. Your acting like this is Bowe v Holyfield...it's nowhere near that level.
Fury has to face another two or three of the top guys to be the best in this era. fighting Vlad on his way out and a limited untested fighter in Wilder does not make an ATG. It just doesn't and if you don't understand then boxing clearly isn't for you.

 

It’s a shame fury fought wilder 3 times as I would have liked to have seen a wilder whyte fight.

You can say whyte is too static and easy to hit and has a ko loss to povetkin so wilder would land and knock him out.

You could also say wilder can’t fight inside and can’t fight on the back foot and whyte therefore would be able to get close and land at will with his most dangerous punches being ones that are thrown from close up.

You can make a good case for both scenarios which is a shame the fight didn’t happen.

 

I remember Fury's statement: "Wilder is much more dangerous than Klitschko". Now, I don't know if this is a marketing move.

1. Klitschko
2. Wilder
3/4. White
3/4. Wallin

 

ATG KO artist Wlad was universally regarded as the best of the best

ATG KO artist Wilder was universally ranked as either the best or the 2nd best heavyweight (excluding Fury) when Fury fought him three times

Joshua dropped the ball twice while Fury was concluding his trilogy with Wilder and is still tied up with Usyk

Usyk wasn't generally regarded as a top 5 heavyweight until he schooled AJ, which is the path he'd been on for over 2 years with the WBA

Ali fighting 15 times between 71 and 74 is an entirely different argument as we were talking about top 5 opponents beaten, not fighting loads of contenders or fringe contenders win lose or draw as Wlad also did. In any case, Fury has fought more than Whyte, AJ, Usyk and Wilder since his comeback and is scheduled to fight Whyte in 2 months, which is expected to precede an undisputed fight with the winner of Usyk-AJ 2. Even at 33.5, Fury's top 5 (Wlad, Wilder x2, Wallin, Cunningham) is a much better top 5 than Wlad finished with (Povetkin, Haye, Peter, Pulev, Sultan) and much better again than Vitali's top 5 (Sanders, Chisora, Gomez, Adamek, Arreola) with the latter Klitschko brother generally regarded as the more formidable H2H presence of the two regardless.

Going back 50 years poses a multitude of problems: there are no mutual opponents or comparative performances that far between eras, science is always advancing while geographical restrictions have receded dramatically, heavyweights today are much bigger and more powerful, there is a greater variance in anthropometrics and styles, the sporting authorities realised that having so many wars and in so little time means that you may well end up with brain damage so it's heavily discouraged, fighters suffer more financially and status-wise from losses these days for various reasons and there are four belts now rather than one, which makes boxing politics a further impediment to making fights.

Heavyweights can be best compared to other heavyweights from their era. The further you move between weight classes and eras, the more fuzzy the comparisons become.

 

Having watched Wallin in a number of fights now, he is being severely overated. Whilst well drilled and fundementally sound, he is basic and lacks imagination. He made hard work of a horrendously out of shape Breazeale. I agree that he was hard done by against Fury who was off his game, but even so barring the cut and the twelfth round it was a wide victory

Borderline top 15 at the moment. Whyte is significantly more proven even with his loss to povetkin

 

Maybe partly but Fury also said the opposite ("Wlad was much more dangerous than Wilder" - 2018) to get into Wilder's head before their first fight. Ali said the same thing about Liston relative to Foreman in the run up to their fight. Fury also said it because he dislikes Wlad more than Wilder. And objectively, Wilder gave him two really tough fights and showed a willingness to put everything on the line to try to win and overtly risk being KO'd, which Wlad failed to do for one reason or another against both Fury and AJ. Fury respects Wilder more as a fighter: Wilder was more brazen in his disrespect toward Fury after the rematch but Wlad hasn't come to terms with his defeat to Fury either ("I chose to lose").

 

We’ll see who Fury will offer more resistance, and a harder fight Wallin, or White.