Would Wladimir Klitschko have been as successful without his illegal holding tactics?

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Would Klitschko have been a long-time heavyweight champ without his illegal holding?

Poll closed Nov 20, 2024.
  1. No, he would have had some KO/TKO losses

    47.4%
  2. Yes, he would have won all those fights without illegal holding tactics

    33.3%
  3. I'm not sure

    19.2%
  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    If referees had enforced the rules, would Wladimir Klitschko had his long title reign, or would he have had some KO losses during that time?

    (I'll make another thread later about Andre Ward and his illegal tactics).
     
  2. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    ftfy and yes he would have got ktfo more and no he wouldn't have lasted
     
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  3. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He would have definitely taken more punishment but which fights were DQ worthy aside from Povetkin? I suspect he probably wouldn't have lost because he didn't fight many aggressive punchers during his 2nd reign. Peter 1 was the most dangerous by some margin but he got away with a lot of illegal tactics himself.
     
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  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    He'd get caught pulling out or sitting in the pocket not clinching.

    because he's a big STIFF idiot. Straight lines. No body movement. No real head movement.
     
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  5. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    As successful? Clearly not, otherwise he wouldn't have been doing it.
     
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  6. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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  7. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope. The reason why he stayed at the top for so long was because he could bully smaller, physically weaker fighters with dirty tactics.

    So really, it shouldn’t have been a surprise that the second he fought two taller, stronger opponents that he couldn’t bully, he lost. (Although of course there is more to those defeats than just a size/strength difference.)
     
  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    OP has a micro penus.
     
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  9. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    Wladimir would always have been successful but clinching definitely helped him against smaller punchers. I think he would always have beaten Povetkin but do agree that with all the clinching the result was a foregone conclusion. That said, MANY great fighters have used the clinch as part of their game, and it's up to the referees to police it. If clinching is allowed, people will use it.
     
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  10. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you going to take Ali’s wins away from him because of his clinching? It was every bit as frequent as Wlad.

    People always bring up the Povetkin fight but whenever they exchanged Pov was wobbled or on the canvas. He got knocked down like 4 or 5 times and didn’t want to be in there anymore so he kept diving into Wlad’s torso.
     
  11. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He probably would have lost a few more times but also knocked out some of the guys he got boring decisions over. Less successful but more entertaining
     
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  12. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Without the jab and grab, he would probably have a few more losses on the record.

    It's a bit of a loaded question though. If we just take away his clinching, we are assuming he does nothing to compensate for that? I know he was never great at adapting mid-fight, but without the clinch, he'd need something in his arsenal for when an opponent got close. Do we assume he just uses his footwork and retreats in a straight line, which he did quite often, and it worked often too due to his size and good balance... but that's not going to work all the time. He was never good at attacking on angles. Anyhow, you get the idea. He'd need something more if he's not using the jab and grab.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's a good post. Wlad made serious adaptions to his style as a fighter they were selected for and drilled. Assuming he goes another way, those would have been selected for and drilled.

    In short, there is absolutely no way to know.
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Why choose today, for this?
     
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You know why.
     
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