POLL: Better chin Bowe or Liston ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mr. magoo, Feb 24, 2022.

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Better chin Bowe or Liston ?

Poll closed Feb 25, 2022.
  1. Bowe

    21 vote(s)
    56.8%
  2. Liston

    16 vote(s)
    43.2%
  1. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    SONNYdick BOWston - Big Ugly Daddy (B.U.D.)
     
  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    The Truth is they both had solid chins.
     
  3. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its academic. Both had sound whiskers
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Seen it. Really isn’t close. He took a few shots off Williams. Bowe vs Golota 1-2 Riddick absorbed about as much punishment as Liston did in his toughest fights combined.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Good post, perhaps.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Lol at Golota being anywhere remotely comparable to Cleveland Williams as a puncher.
     
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  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    What’s to say he wasn’t?
     
  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Are you serious right now?
     
  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    We literally have no way of knowing. An educated guess would suggest Williams but we don't actually know, then again who did Williams KO?
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Let's see. Williams was known as a puncher, was the only fighter to hold his own against Liston and give better than he got if only for a brief period in time. Liston himself conceded he thought Williams was going to knock him out. He brutally knocked out Sonny Banks (who knocked down Ali), which many speculated led to his death in his very next bout, caused irreparable brain damage to Curly Lee who went on to murder his entire family, he also was the only person to knock out Young Jack Johnson, rupturing a blood vessel in his forehead. Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/57246919/simpsons-leader-times/

    He also knocked out many decent opponents and rated contenders and a future champion (far better than anyone Golota managed to KO), and according to all common opponents and sparring partners hit harder than Liston himself.

    Roy Harris (who fought Sonny Liston and sparred with Cleveland Williams), calls Cleveland Williams his most dangerous and toughest opponent was "when I sparred with Cleveland Williams." http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Ken/Hissner030911.htm

    "But at one point in his career, he would have spelled real problems for Ali, because at his height as a puncher, Cleveland Williams hit harder than Liston. Before he got shot, the man was awesome But afterwards, he wasn't much of a fighter.. " Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=DfcPAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT134&lpg=PT134&dq="williams+hit+harder+than+liston"&source=bl&ots=U_vhYf34f8&sig=ACfU3U0-9tFME4JqtaE-xx34tjfj1d-8XA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqlYTguIHqAhUeRDABHQPoDhYQ6AEwAXoECAMQAQ

    Ernie Terrell (Who fought Williams twice and sparred with Liston)
    His toughest opponent: Cleveland Williams
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=-pleAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vVINAAAAIBAJ&pg=4798,539251&dq=&hl=en
    :"He was the strongest fighter I ever fought"
    http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/6048-ernie-terrell-chicagos-heavyweight-champion
    "His left hook is poison."
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Sy8_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=9lAMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3337,4585601&dq=&hl=en
    "I fought Williams (Cassius Clay's Monday night victim Cleveland Williams twice and I thought that man hit harder than even Liston. But the years were very much on Clay's side." Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/57503132/calgary-herald/

    Sonny Liston:......"Williams hit very hard and he was quick"
    "He hit as hard as I could."

    https://books.google.com/books?id=9...hUKEwjz2eGWs7XpAhWIg-AKHZlGCKgQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ

    "two of William's losses came at the hands of Liston, who has said Williams was the hardest puncher he has ever met." https://www.newspapers.com/clip/51090697/sioux-city-journal/

    "Williams hit Liston with a left hook that would have finished any other man It would have torn some fighters heads off." https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54152307/fort-lauderdale-news


    He was also #49 on The Ring's top 100 P4P punchers which Golota, nor anyone Bowe faced (Except Holyfield at #77) never sniffed.

    Golota on the other hand..... gave Bowe trouble and... that's literally it.

    Bit of a circular theory isn't it "Bowe's chin wasn't that bad despite getting dropped by Golota who proved he was an amazing puncher by dropping Bowe" Oh wait...
     
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    LOL. Please stop. I know Williams is your dad but…
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    David Tua was a better puncher than Cleveland Williams
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I know. You make one point in a single sentence and he responds with a Tolkien novel.
     
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  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    So because LISTON said that Williams was the hardest hitter he ever faced, then that must legitimize Williams as a puncher hence making LISTON’S chin solid…. Circular logic at its absolute finest
     
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