After watching Taylor's performance last night

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I think it was due to a number of different factors combining. Everything I mentioned and Catterall's horribly awkward octopus spoiler style played a part too. Catterall, as I warned he was, was better than advertised but everything about JT was just badly off too. We've seen his level drop and neglect his skills before due to not being relaxed. It's happened in numerous fights but he always manages to loosen up eventually and turn it around.

    I've made this observation before about him underperforming and neglecting his skills due to not him being relaxed but last night there was zero sharpness, zero fluidity, poor accuracy, and very little variety to his work and he just looked super tense and flat all night and just way below par in every facet.

     
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  2. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The difference with most of these examples and Taylor's performance vs Catterall is that they reacted much better to adversity than Taylor did.

    Fury got put on the canvas, so he took it to an extremely tough Steve Cunningham and sparked him out 5 rounds later, and to this day he remains the only man to date to have KO'd Cunningham (not bad for a man who most people at the time said was a feather-duster and a non-puncher).

    Fury spent 9 out of 12 rounds fighting with one eye against Wallin but won clearly and decisively, with multiple rounds towards the end of the fight where it was ALL Fury.

    Bud Crawford was hurt against the likes of Gamboa and Mean Machine, but dug deep to win by KO.

    Though Kambosos deserved to win no doubt; Teofimo landed almost an identical number of punches to Kambosos and put Kambosos down on the canvas himself in the 10th, in a very competitive back-and-forth war.

    Catterall out-threw and outlanded Taylor 120-73, and outlanded Taylor in 11 out of 12 rounds of the fight. Catterall knocked Taylor down and cut him, Taylor was never close to hurting Catterall.

    And it's not as if Taylor dominated everyone up to now: Prograis was razor thin and could have very easily been a draw or Prograis win if it hadn't taken place in the UK. The Ramirez fight was also very competitive, with a margin of only 2 points on all three scorecards, although imo Taylor did clearly deserve to win that one.

    Josh Taylor is not p4p, and his weaknesses were always going to get exposed sooner or later. It's just that most people didn't expect Jack Catterall to be the one to do it.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Beterbiev wanted to go 12 rounds against Koelling that's why he chose to stop him in the 12th.

    As far Deines he still finished him even though he looked flat. Let's see how Josh Taylor looks at 36.
     
  4. African Cobra

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    Okay some good and interesting comments made. I was no aware of chest infection and COVID only the delay because of a knee injury. Mind you in my experience fighters always have some injuries or niggles like you would expect in a contact sport.

    As for getting overly emotional because of fighting in front of your home crowd that does not count or is it a valid excuse. You need to be ice cold in this situation as in you fight the fight not the occasion. In round 8 in his frustration he walked into one and got knocked down.

    I agree Caterall is a very skilful boxer and if he had more of a dig he would have stopped JT.
     
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  5. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Yes I am not enamoured of Davidson because like Freddie Roach I happen to think Fury should have knocked out Wilder in the first fight with the correct advice and training.
     
  6. African Cobra

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    I think he has struggled at the weight for a long time but always claims he makes it well.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Many of the aforementioned had their own issues to overcome but JT looked off before he even climbed into the ring and the fight was lost before he even climbed into the ring and he wasn't able to perform at anywhere near his best due to what happened prior to entering the ring. I could sense something was off with him and I had a bad feeling about the fight for weeks.

    Hand on heart, and I'm not trying to imply I'm some kind of psychic here, I had this image of him hitting the canvas in this flash through my mind a bunch of times during the final few weeks leading up to the fight and my gut-feeling kept telling me he was going to really struggle and possibly lose. That's not some psychic power it's due to me picking up on certain things from his body language and demeanor and all the aforementioned factors

    People keep ignoring the fact he's been on an incredibly steep learning curve, far steeper than virtually everyone else and all their favs. He was moved far too quickly and matched extremely tough from very early in his career and he's been learning on the job fighting a much high level of opposition than all of his peers from very early on in his career sans a few others, Loma and Usyk most notably.

    The vast majority of fighters would have very tough nights if matched as aggressively against the level of opposition he has so early in their careers and most would've already tasted defeat by that stage too if not been KTFO.
     
  8. African Cobra

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    I personally preferred him being trained by Shane McGuigan. I am not keen on this Davidson bloke. Nice enough guy but lacks knowledge.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Where's the evidence of Beterbiev wanting to go 12 amd look flat while doing so? The a much simpler explanation.... sometimes fighter's have an off night, especially when coming off of a long layoff, or extenuating circumstances like illness and/or injury and/or bad weight cut. Taylor had all three.
     
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  10. African Cobra

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    Very fair comments indeed and I like JT.
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes, Beterbiev looked flat as hell and significantly below par after coming back from injury and Covid, but Taylor looked even worse when coming back from the same and in addition to that he was as tense as hell all night and looked deathly ill and skeletal at the weigh in and it was clearly a way worse version of him than the one we've seen in every single one of his previous fight and anyone who denies that is being very disingenuous.

    Difference is I don't hold that against Artur or act like it was in any way, shape or form him at his best and I acknowledge the reasons why he looked so flat and below par.
     
  12. African Cobra

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    Yes he was moved quickly I agree with that but he came through very well so we knew he was a very good fighter but based on last night it looks like he may be regressing. I don’t see much joy against the top dogs at 147 but won’t mind him spanking Conor Benn which could be a big money fight. I think Kell Brook will be to much man for him even now.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    McGuigan is the best young trainer in the sport and one of the best period IMO. I would feel very comfortable and have zero reservations about any of my favs hooking up with him and there's not many trainers I can say that about. He has a very astute boxing brain and is a great tactician.
     
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  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stopped reading here. Beterbiev is by no means an "average technician"
     
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  15. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If we believe his trainer:
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