Super Flyweight has become even more exciting

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    First, something called COVID happened.

    Then Casimero declined the fight for December as did Raushee Warren and Russell Jr..

    Yes, Dipaen and Dasmarinas are horrible.

    What was Inoue supposed to do? Just not fight at all?

    He's fighting Nonito next who has 2 belts and has been on a devastating war path of destruction. Nonito is more dangerous than Fulton, Akhmadaliev, and Figueroa.

    Inoue's trying to get fights. There's nothing to criticize.
     
  2. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, Warren is with PBC, so that might have something to do with it. I also doubt highly that Inoue genuinely wanted to fight Russell, seeing as he stated on social media that he's not even ready for 122 because there's still business to attend to at 118. I'm not convinced Donaire is any better than MJ or Fulton at the moment, either.

    My question is: why didn't Inoue fight any of these current 115-pounders on the way up? He missed every pound-for-pound or near pound-for-pound fighter during his rise--Gonzalez, Estrada, Ioka, Nietes, and Rungvisai. I'm not accusing anyone of ducking, but it seems like loads of other fighters would have had their feet put to the flames if they did the same.
     
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  3. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never understood why Ancajas stayed in that horrible division. Bantamweight is where it's at. Needs to move up a long time ago. Draining himself making that weight. It's incredible the guy hasn't been knocked out.What a chin lol. If you can't make the weight comfortably. That's self inflicted..
     
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  4. StussyBrownnn

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    Im filipino but i wanted to see ioka spank jerwin... sad that we wont see that anymore.
     
  5. StussyBrownnn

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    Estrada
    Chocolatito
    Rungvisai
    Ioka
    Bam Rodriguez
    Martinez
    El Rey
    Tanaka

    With Nakatani and edwards possibly moving up shortly once they outgrow flyweight. There isnt a more stacked division in boxing.
     
  6. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent question.
     
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  7. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    Exactly wanting those guys to move up and fight him when he he didnt fought them when they were all at 115 and the other guys were close to their best is ridiculous. Real fans want the best to fight the best they dont want the best or their fav to fight easy fights.

    Dipaen was absolute garbage one of the worst mismatches in years it didnt do nothing to Inoue legacy or resume and it didnt do nothing for him as a fighter he has had much tougher sparring sessions than that

    Also i dont think its a coincidence that since he has started working with Arum his comp has gotten worse . Now Arum is waiting on the japanese goverment for the Inoue vs Donaire rematch to be finalized its always something with that guy . Theres always roadblocks. A good promoter finds solutions so if the Japanese goverment decides to lock out for the rest of the year theres no fight cause Arum wont even bother to find a solution. It baffles me why fighters still sign with that POS.
     
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  8. Young Terror

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    Horrible division?? Do you even follow boxing? Its been one of the best if not the best division in boxing in the last decade much better than bantamweight.
     
  9. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Inoue stated that his team offered a December fight to Casimero, Warren, and Russell Jr. — all parties declined. Inoue never said that he wasn't ready for 122 — he stated that he wanted to grab all the belts at 118 first.

    MJ hasn't fought anyone (Daniel Roman being the biggest name), but he comes with a lot of hype and Fulton fought Leo and Figueroa. Again, resurgent 3.0 Donaire has looked aces (even in a losing 10-2/9-3 losing effort to Inoue) and has been destroying the competition w/ highlight reel KO after highlight reel KO. He is absolutely a more menacing presence than Fulton and MJ. And his style is favors him more than it does Inoue.

    I would absolutely favor Donaire 3.0 to beat and KO Fulton, Figueroa, Leo, Roman, and MJ at 122.

    In 2014/2015, Inoue was 7-0 (6 KO) and went up to 115 for the chance at Narvaez and the match up against Roman started gaining traction. Inoue was at 115 and Roman was at 112. Inoue stated that he needed more experience, but that he would love to fight the then P4P #1 at 115.
    • Cuadras was the WBC champ at the time and said that he wanted to fight Inoue and Arroyo (who ended up losing to Ancajas) and those fights never happened
    • Cuadras then loses (many had him winning) to Roman
    • Roman started negotiations with Inoue, but then said he wanted more money (same reason it took like a decade for him to run it back with Estrada) and also that he preferred the Cuadras rematch
    • Roman gets iced by Rungvisai, effectively ending the hype for a Inoue superfight
    • Then Roman, Rungvisai, Cuadras, and Estrada were all tied up by the WBC
    • Inoue wanted Yafai and Ancajas, but neither fight materialized (Yafai wanted more money and I think Ancajas just never wanted the match up
    Inoue then did his thing and joined and won the WBSS. None of the Superfly Super 4 have ever really pursued Inoue. The fights didn't materialize because Inoue was too high risk and too low reward financially and because the timing was off as Inoue was a growing fighter and can barely make 118 now. Timing is all. No duck. Remember, it took almost a decade for Roman and Estrada to run it back. Ioka hasn't fought any of them and neither has Ancajas.

    And WTF are you talking about? Lots of people have very vocally criticized his last 2 opponents and the matchups that didn't happen with the Superfly Super 4 for the reasons stated above. So let's not say Inoue didn't want to fight them when they have largely been only interested in each other. Kay?
     
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  10. JOKER

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    Additionally,

    Inoue in his FOURTH pro fight fought and beat Taguchi, a future WBA, IBF, and Ring magazine champion.

    Then in his SIXTH pro fight, he fought, brutalized, and KO'd the man of the division in Adrien Hernandez.

    After that, in his EIGHTH pro fight, he soul-raped Omar Narvaez in 2 rounds, whose only loss at the time was against a rampaging and prime Nonito who couldn't do anything with Narvaez and cruised to a boring UD Against 7-0 Inoue, Narvaez was coming off of 8 straight wins after the Donaire loss.

    The idea that Inoue is a ducker, who is all action and initiated his first ever clinch in a fight where he had his eye socket broken, is ludicrous.
     
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  11. Jpreisser

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    WTF are you talking about? I never said anything about Inoue's last two matchups, nor did anyone call him a ducker. I simply inquired as to why he missed so many relevant fight. I never mentioned Ancajas, either, who was not all that relevant in the grand scheme of things.

    I can understand to a degree why the fights never came to fruition, but three years at 115 without any of those names to show for it (no, Narvarez was not elite) is still tough.

    I'm certainly not convinced a 39-year-old Donaire is a tougher task than MJ, Fulton, or Roman. Sure, Nonito is scoring knockouts, but it's not as if he's dominating everyone beforehand. Burnett was outboxing him and Gaballo was very competitive. Young was a replacement. To me, he's still the same guy who was beaten by Frampton and Magdeleno, but prospers at 118 in part because of his size. I wouldn't favor him over MJ, Fulton, and Roman, and I'm not sold on any of them. I expect Inoue to win even more comprehensively in the rematch.
     
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  12. Flo_Raiden

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    Excuse me… what? :thinking:
    How can you call it a horrible division when you have fighters like Chocolatito, Gallo, SSR, Ioka, Nietes, Tanaka, and now Martinez and Rodriguez?
     
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  13. Flo_Raiden

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    Can't wait to see what we'll have next in this division. I'm wondering if Rey Martinez is planning on moving back down to Flyweight or if he's going to continue fighting at Super Fly. No shame in losing to a great fighter like Choco. I would still like to see how he does against the other big names of 115.
     
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  14. Lesion of Doom

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    He has some talent but had better get serious about defense. He took an enormous number of clean head shots the other night.
     
  15. Flo_Raiden

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    Bump. Cannot express this enough just how exciting this division has gotten. Sadly I also think it means that a great fighter like SSR is finished in terms of being a top fighter of the division.
    There’s still other good possible match ups to be made in this awesome weight class.