The best British boxer ever.

This article details Fitz throwing the gloves - one to the left and then one to the right of the audience - declaring, at the same time, that it was his last fight.

Not so suspicious - a farewell gesture. Remember, the accusation was plaster of paris not loaded gloves - seems to be an attempt to “slide” the accusation wherever one can try and fit it - and as I said, audience members would end up with the “evidence” if there was any, still a risky move if the gloves were doctored - which I don’t believe they were.

However, analysing it in all objectivity, boxrec notes that sometime after the fight that it was reported that Fitz used electrical tape - not gauze. I’ve not read that elsewhere - without saying it is true, in all possibility, if it was the case, I guess that might’ve lent to cutting but not extra force - and to repeat, his wraps were inspected and approved. I haven’t read same re the gloves but I’d imagine they would’ve been checked also.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=yJwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4822,4995359&hl=en

 

No I think you people underrate Dominguez (although he was past his best when) and overrate the current era, including Usyk: The division was between 1998 and 2002 clearly stronger than now (possible besides Super-Featherweight the best pound for pound). At the moment is only Briedis top 30 in the all time rankings of the weight-class and pound for pound arguable (but at the end of it).
Gomez, Nelson and Mormeck were all pound for pound top 20 in my view (like Kessler, Erdei and Hatton), even Shirov was very strong, just Braithwaite was a bit worse.
In the last decade were just two dominant champions; Hernandez and Usyk.

 

You don't know if I did, so you can not pretend this, as I actual did: Read in the fight report and it was also described in the book, that when Jeffries got asked about the rumours that Fitzsimmons will use plaster of paris, he just answered, let him do it. He was a real sportsman and never made bad harm of an opponent. So to write such accusation about him, he had to have a cause for it.

Possible used he also against Ruhlin and Sharkey the same substances and made therefore this effect.
In the fight report is no word of any face marks of Jeffries in their first fight. There is no evidence that he had any trouble in it, but won it with ease.
Two years are a lot in the further age and can make a big difference, but probably not in improvement, rather to decline more. Therefore he didn't worry if his opponent uses something illegal, as he already won with such ease and expected that a even older version won't improve much (this is a very logical thinking and reasonable).

The opposite corner just wanted to check the gloves; so likely these were loaded (or the pillows rather refused inside it), but maybe did he threw the bandages as well away or that were already before cutted off (which seems likely, as it is usual after fights).
To threw gloves to the crowd to prevent an inspectation of these is for me enough proof to be certain he used illegal methods and attempt to hide this.

 

By the way should be Maurice Hope mentioned; he is for me top 15 here.

 

No, you’re actually not being logical or reasonable.

NO other opponent accused Fitz of same as YOU implied was probable.

There were rumours that Fitz was going to use plaster of paris for the 2nd Jeffries fight.

Jeffries said he didn’t care but STILL inspected Fitz’s bandages - logic dictates that Jeffries would and DID care - and he duly checked and approved Fitz’s wraps.

I already outlined the whys and hows for Fitz being better performed - perfectly plausible.

You can’t seem to make up your mind if you want to go for plaster or loaded gloves - it seems because the plaster angle isn’t working for you you’re now moving to loaded gloves.

Fitz treated it as it was his LAST fight - thus his ritualistic throwing of the gloves.

IF Jeff suspected loaded gloves he didn’t act like it or pursue inspection of the gloves - he left the ring asap and had to be called back to shake hands with Fitz.

Address that the spectators in receipt of the gloves could’ve easily called Fitz out IF the gloves were tampered with. No one did call Fitz out on it.

Repeat: Ruhlin, Sharkey etc. did not accuse Fitz of plaster or loaded gloves - they in fact acknowledged Fitz’s power absolute. I’ve also told you that it was tested years later and plaster of paris disintegrated on first impact.

I’ve also told you Jeff claimed he was drugged just prior to the Johnson fight - just because Jeff claims something to be so doesn’t mean there has to be something “in it”. OR, do you believe that claim also?

Jeffries was NOT unmarked after the first fight nor was it straight up easy.

See round 5 in the following article for Jeffries eye being split open and the free flow of blood:-

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/149774490?searchTerm=Jeffries fitzsimmons

Have you seen Jeffries face as the Johnson bout progressed? Bleeding mouth, cuts everywhere, broken nose, one eye closed, the other on its way, general swelling etc. his features were an absolute mess. So does that mean Johnson loaded? Of course not.

So yes, you’ve made several incorrect assertions and assumptions. If Fitz’s throwing of the gloves is enough evidence for you then basically you have no evidence and are predisposed to accusing Fitz of something for which you have NO proof.

 

More fairy tale rubbish. Jeffries inspected Fitz's hands when he came into the ring.Why on earth don't you do some real research and perhaps then you wouldn't make these silly accusations without a shred of evidence to back them!

 

You are in in literally every point incorrect; first of it was not Fitzsimmons last fight, he fought 12 years longer, till 1914, went even to Light-Heavyweight afterwards and fought Jack Johnson.
Also nobody throw the gloves to the crowd, before even the result was announced (especially when you lost and the celecration did even start). This is very suspicious and if you would be not biased as hell, you could recognized this, as it is fishy.
The corner wanted to look on these, because they didn't check it before the fight and Jeffries face got a mess in opposite to the first one. So he did just afterwards care about it, because he had reason for this, but he didn't moan as he won, but still complaint (what he wouldn't otherwise). It was unusual to inspect the gloves at that time before a fight, as it was not even done in more recent times (like Catly vs. Thobela).

He were several users which pointed the electronic wrapping of Fitzsimmons and it is also noticed on Boxrec. But I did first sign to the gloves, as the plaster of paris is between that and the bandages, so I changed nothing of the orginal point.

You don't know if the others didn't complain about these substances, just because only Jeffries accuse is still on public and remind. Even if they didn't, it is possible that he did apply it and they might have the suspicion, but didn't want to appear as bad losers.

 

He didn't, as narrowly nobody did when. It is written in Jeffries biography and in the report on Boxrec. You just threw out lies and repeat them, even when you got before proven wrong about this.

 

You need to read properly. I didn’t say it was Fitz’s last fight - I said Fitz viewed it as his last fight AS AT the time. You’re Wrong.

Fitz was KO’d - why wait for the OBVIOUS result to be announced? - you’re not making any sense. That’s not to say it wasn’t announced - show me where it does state same. It reads that Fitz shook Jeff’s hand, complimented Jeff as a fighter, said it was his LAST fight and then threw the gloves.

The only bias is your unfounded belief that Fitz’s gloves were loaded - and REPEAT, you initially tried for plaster of paris and failed on that claim.

Provide a reference where it is claimed that Jeff’s corner wanted to inspect the gloves AFTER the fight - the more logical assumption is that the gloves were inspected BEFORE the fight - REPEAT, after the fight Jeffries left the ring and had to be called back to shake with Fitz. You’re wrong AGAIN.

IN FACT - now that I’ve had the chance to re-read the contemporary article I linked (I read it years ago) it states the gloves WERE EXAMINED by police officials and pronounced satisfactory - did you even bother reading the article? LOL.

Plaster of Paris VS doctored gloves or something inside the gloves are separate conditions. It’s not the same thing - you have simply been firing shots in the dark hoping that one accusation or another might stick. Wrong again.

YOU said Jeffries was unmarked in the first fight. I provided a contemporary report indicating that Fitz opened a bad cut over Jeff’s eye - your silence on that is deafening. Wrong again. The errors are adding up.

You said I don’t know if others didn’t complain re Fitz’s gloves or held at least held suspicions but didn’t promote same publicly??? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

There are NO reports of any other complaints from other fighters as far as I’ve read ( and as far as you have read) and Fitz’s vanquished opposition certainly wouldn’t compliment Fitz’s power IF at the same time they voiced or held “silent”’suspicions of dodgy gloves, wraps etc.

Fighters weren’t shy to voice any suspicions of foul play - some even went as far as inventing claims to excuse legit losses (Jeff claiming he was doped for the Johnson fight, remember I mentioned that?)

LOL, man, you’re not even basing your argument on the KNOWN facts - you’re speculating nonsensically.

Like, say, Jeff NEVER said he was Santa Claus either, did he, or at least he didn’t admit to it publicly but that “obviously” , doesn’t mean Jeff wasn’t St. Nick and simply held it secret to himself, right? Ya Ya Ding Dong.

In all objectivity, I already highlighted that there were later reports of Fitz allegedly using electrical tape on his hands - citing the source as Boxrec - yes, you’re welcome for that.

Did you know there was also a belief that the second fight was somehow fixed? - that Fitz apparently said something to Jeff JUST PRIOR TO an otherwise viable and competitive Fitz “inexplicably” going down from a punch that didn’t appear to warrant a KO and that Fitz only “just missed” beating the count? Both fighters strongly denied same - but do you think just because it was even hinted at, there might be something “in it”? Sound fishy to you? Of course not.

I’ve already linked 2 articles pertinent to the discussion and pointed out the exact, relevant details.

Aside from your own unfounded opinions, you haven’t brought anything likewise to the table and your every point has been disproven.

 

Change it up - quote the relevant text from Jeff’s bio and we can run it up against the multiple reports. The wraps were inspected by Jeff and the gloves by the police officials. Don’t suggest people are lying when they are not.

Also, check if Jeff was Santa or not - I need closure on that.

 

EDIT: Duplicate Post.

 

On the 64 Day Hero documentary, it said that Arthur Batty, who ran Turpin's gym, devised a weights programme consisting of 12 exercises that Turpin used to build up his immense strength even further.

I'd love to know what those exercises were.

 

Have you noticed that nobody ever agrees with you? Why do you think that is?

 

I have one question: Are you the seventh account of McVey (Tono62/Rainer?
It seems like you support your own opinion with different nicknames...

It is very delusional to argument "he see it as his last bout"...and finely checked. This is argumenting of a groupie, but not objective. The lay-off before was a lot longer than afterwards and many have seen something as the last, just to come back quickly (like Danny Williams retired 2010 or before), that is a very cheap excuse. Some retirement last just two weeks recently or Danny Green and Fabrice Tiozzo retired to avoid Hugo Hernan Garay.
He could see it as anything, but nobody else regarded it this way; possible he recognized it not as a boxing match, but as a gladiator fight to use weapons...

 

I know now that you are a double-account...

And gloves were not inspected by someone around 1900, that came later.

Everybody who is unbiased would admit, that this behaviour of throwing gloves out of the ring is very suspisious and that the only reason for Jeffries of complaining this, of an opponent he knocked out in the same contest, is that he was thinking so and really convinced about this.

You whole argumentation is just not plausible, but fanboy-defendings.