If Wilder Never Fought Again..?

Barf.

Fake defenses against nobodies or ancient corpses. Draw with slickster Fury whose style gave him all the time in the world to try and land the right, then demolished by first competent pressure fighter he encountered, and that was still Tyson adjusted by Sugar.

 

Top 40. He is a belt holder and has a bronze medal, but doesn't have a marquee win.

 

Well below Povetkin.

 

Top 30 HW without a doubt whether we like it or not.. 1 thing for sure he’s the #1 P4P overachiever as I can’t even think a lesser skilled individual accomplish more than him..

 

I think every decent 90s HW destroys him

How can he be a Top 30 ATG ?

 

He's somewhere between Shannon Briggs and Chris Byrd.

 

I'd rate Wilder in the top 10 ever!........as one of the top 10 worst HW champions ever.

There's over 15 guys in the divison at present I would back to beat him now.

 

Outside of top 1000. Most overrated bum in the HW history, eh as well as most protected one.

 

Let's see:

• National Golden Gloves Champion.
• United States Amateur Champion.
• U.S. Olympic Trials Gold Medalist.
• U.S. Olympic Bronze Medalist.
• WBC Heavyweight Champion.
• 10 Successful WBC Heavyweight Title defenses.
• Undefeated for 12 straight years as a pro.
• 10th Longest Reign in Heavyweight Championship History
• Stopped every man he faced as a pro except the current World Champion Tyson Fury.

Made as many successful title defenses as Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling, Max Baer, Jim Braddock, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ingemar Johansson, Sonny Liston, Leon Spinks, Ken Norton, John Tate, Michael Dokes, Gerrie Coetzee, Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Bonecrusher Smith, Frank Bruno, Pinklon Thomas, Trevor Berbick, Buster Douglas, Tony Tucker, Frans Botha, Michael Moorer, Tommy Morrison, Corrie Sanders, Lucas Browne, Sergei Liakhovich, Shannon Briggs, Oleg Maskaev, Hasim Rahman, Charles Martin, Bermane Stiverne, Joseph Parker, Andy Ruiz, Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury COMBINED.

Only Joe Louis, Wlad Klitschko, Larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali, John L. Sullivan, James J. Jeffries and Vitali Klitschko had LONGER reigns (and many of them took years off during those reigns - Wilder didn't).

Only Louis, Wlad and Holmes had more successful defenses in a single reign.

If he retired today, I'd say he'll be ranked pretty damn high.

 

I disagree that Wilder is a 'bum,' but he is without a doubt one of the most protected 'champions' in Heavyweight boxing history, as well as one of the most overrated. Spent his 'title reign' fighting no-hopers such as Szpilka, Washington, Duhapaus, Stiffverne, shot Arreola, Molina, etc, and largely not even looking good doing it.

Imo, Wilder is about on the same level as an Eddie Chambers. I think that's a fair assessment of him.

 

He's clearly one of the most consistent HWs of all time. Most of the 40+ fight HWs have dumb losses against the kind of opponents that Wilder always KO'd.

It would really, really help his legacy if he could pick up a win against someone like Whyte, Ruiz, or Parker (or someone better but that might not be possible). Just raise the ceiling a bit.

 

In terms of accomplishments and resume: very low

In terms of H2H: quite high

 

Agree.
I'm sorry to all his fans, but the guy come to the HW stage 5 years before AJ, and his resume compare to AJ is like a leaf type of thin.

He ducked Klitschko, Povetkin, and never even wanted to fight decent top inshape fighters.
There is also a no excuse to not fight guys like Whyte, Parker, Ruiz, Pulev, Joyce and even guys like Takam when he was in shape, and Chisora.
He also pretty much admitted to duck AJ. Never really showed any desire to UNIFY the division or fighting the top guys.
He get beat, and it was just all talk, not putting in the work, actually improve and show any desire to do stuff differently. And what he do, when he got beat ? Put the most ridiculous excuses i have ever heard from a fighter, and absolutely idiotic accusation, and pretty much said i QUIT after it.
And people were talking about his heart. You are showing dedication, soul and heart during your training session, you are putting everything in the camps, and in the ring you are showing your skills and your performance talk about it.
Sorry but can't take that guy serious having in mind, he dodged all the good fighters in the division pretty much, and step up, only when he was thinking he will have an easy time with a semi-retired and not in-form Fury.

 

He's obviously a strong heavyweight, but an extremely protected one. It says a lot that his best win is a then "38" year old Ortiz, and with a good chance he wouldn't even have won it without referee assistance.
Still, he has beaten a good number of 15 to 40 rated heavyweights in a row, which not many would.
I think in the end, legacy wise, he did better as if he had been in the mix with the best out there. It's very unlikely he would have had been in there with the likes of older Wlad, Joshua, Povetkin, Parker, Fury, Pulev, Ruiz and such from the get go, he would have been unbeaten for very long.
He's probably ranked closer to 30 as 40 when the dust settles, for basically being the successor to Vitali to being the guy with the other belt, outside of the man for a long time. But with lesser opposition.