Carlos Monzon Vs Hearns - Is This The Worst, Fight At Middle For Tommy?

okay.

 

Monzon is a nightmare for Hearns. Chugging away at three quarter pace round after round, accurate and heavy handed. Tommy's going to run out of steam sometime after the 10th and wind up hanging over the ropes.

 

Great post, great facts, great effort, in fact, great everything surfinghb, but unfortunately we're dealing with a stubborn hardcore bunch of willfully ignorant posters who haven't a clue of what they're talking about. The same Hearns who almost got his clocked cleaned by the great James Kinchen, then twice beaten, once starched by the immortal Iran Barkley, and the same guy who forsook his natual advantages in height, reach and boxing ability, in what should qualify as one of the greatest, epic displays of low ring IQ before getting starched by Hagler, then carried like a baby back to his corner, is supposedly going to just "pull it all together" and beat the greatest middleweight champion of history....these guys

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learn,...even when McVey did his damnedest in refuting, methodically, refuting completely, one by one, all their talking points...all for naught...because they refuse to be taught. It's the same old shlt about Monzon "picking on little old welterweights", and "old guys"...all the things McVey and now you (again in an excellent post) thried to educate them about. The most frustrating one is ETM, who comes to close to "getting it", only to inexplicably falling back on their stupid talking points.It's almost as if I committed the ultimate heresy of implying that say, Charlie "Choo Choo" Brown would have beaten peak lightweight Roberto Duran, and then expected to be taken seriously by the more knowledgeable posters on board here in Classic. Well, maybe thats it, that they actually belong in the General forum, where they'll be taken seriously and perhaps even equated with John Garfield, McVey or someone respected like that.

 

Try to remember that Mark...it gets tiring having to educate you about this all the time.

 

Exactly RC ... Even Sutherland had Hearns cut over both eyes and Tommy completely folded his right hand early in the fight ... Hearns comfortably out boxed him, but the fight told a different story as Hearns struggled with big strong middles and here a LHW ,, Tommy will tell ya himself that the Sutherland fight was one of his toughest of his career .... Monzon fought at MW well into his 30's .. and as people get older and they continue to naturally gain the weight ( ie Boxers going up in weight over the years not down for the most part ) .. , Monzon was a Big middle , Strong middle with Stamina. He busted his ass to make weight often sparring rounds and running up until the weigh in ... His ring weight for the Napoles fight was 169, and thats on a same day morning weigh in ... So, I think people need to pump the brakes a little here, and realize that Hearns at MW was just not in Monzons league imo .. These are always hard posts for me to write down as the Motor City Cobra is and always has been my favorite fighter !! .. And there is no doubt that being the bad ass he was , ,He would be salivating at the chance to KO Monzon

 

Yessir, and an expected humbling experience would be awaiting our dear Tommy for his impertinence

 

Hearns was better than most of Monzon`s opponents.

 

But Hearns stamina and chin has failed him several times against a fighter with better stamina and chin. For a pack a day smoker especially during training, Carlos Monzon had both stamina and an iron chin. Bennie Briscoe had a better chin than Tommy Hearns.

 

Rodrigo Valdez would have ko'ed him, and Emile Griffith would have outsmarted him. Jose Napoles, if he didn't cut would have beaten him too. Hearns was a front runner with a weak chin.

 

Bennie Briscoe would have overpowered him as well, being the more dominant middleweight..

 

Hey Michael, Hearns was stopped by Sugar Ray Leonard on Sept 16 1981, TKO 14. Marvelous Marvin Hagler stopped Tommy Hearns on April 15 1985, KO 2, and Tommy was stopped by Iran Barkley in 1988 too. Rodrigo did have a great right hand, Valdes stopped the usually sturdy chin Bennie Briscoe on May 25 1974, KO 7, To his credit, Valdes dropped Carlos Monzon in round 2 on July 30 1977, but Carlos took that right hand as he resumed the fight, won on points, then retired as champion. The question would be if Hearns could take a right hand from a fighter that had 61 KO's on his record that is Monzon.

 

Well Richard, for starters, he wouldn't have survived a right hand from Valdez...the one he hit Monzon with especially...hell. he may have gone through the ropes. What Bennie Briscoe hit Monzon with would have made James Kinchen's shot look like a love tap.....and as for Monzon, I've always maintained that Carlos would have worn Hearns down a bit, then a right to the chin would come for a clean ko.

 

Agreed.

 

Another star of the 70's that gets pissed on here...and given short shrift is Rodrigo Valdez...the ignorance around here is simply amazing.

 

If you think about it, Rodrigo Valdes was a two time champion. He first won the WBC Title on May 25 1974 in Monte Carlo stopping Bennie Briscoe, then he won the vacant undisputed World Middleweight title on Nov 5 1977, decisioning Briscoe in 15 rounds. This after the retirement of Monzon as champion. The later superstars of the 1980's were not in line back in 1977 to be even considered for a title shot