Is Canelo a better fighter then Chris Eubank Snr?

McCallum was way past ity in 94, light heavy was way too big for him, Canelo would have beaten McCallum easier at light heavy than he beat Saundes at 168, Mike was just too slow at those higher weights.

 

Jeff Harding wqas nowhere near Saunders level.

 

Erm I said against Saunders.....don't just shift the goalpost. Well McCallum was still good enough to win a belt and defend it a few times. Ginger has only fought at that weight once against a husk of a fighter in Kovalev....so not sure where your pulling this out of your arse from.
Was Mike passed prime? Yes Was he still good enough to win a belt and defend it ? Yes. I don't think it's a given that Ginger beats him considering Ginger has only fought once against a clearly broken fighter. If he beats Bivol without robbery then we can talk otherwise the jury is out on this one.

 

First of all, you haven’t replied to my original post.

You’ve replied to a post directed at someone else.

I don’t have to dissect Eubank’s career.

I watched it as it happened.

Nobody here is proclaiming Eubank to have been the GOAT.

It’s Canelo who’s been labelled as the potential GOAT.

If anyone is claiming that Canelo is a candidate for the GOAT in 5 years, they need to ask themselves who’s he’s legitimately beaten.

Eubank going through the motions against Ray Close, when he was fighting every 2 months isn’t the same as where Canelo almost fell short against Lara and where GGG was robbed in the first fight.

Eubank was faded and not at his best, whereas Canelo was at his best at that point.

Canelo has not proven that he could have beaten Benn, Watson or Eubank at MW, and any talk of him being the GOAT is ridiculous.

Collins didn’t take Eubank to school. He barely beat him in the first fight and out hustled him in the rematch.

Benn was shot when Collins fought him, and they only had a rematch because of Benn’s injury in the first fight.

Collins would have been a tough fight for Canelo at MW.

 

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

Related to Golovkin, that's the mindset I was trying to avoid. Alvarez did beat him. I had the first fight 115-113 Golovkin and the second fight a draw but what I think doesn't matter. The fact is Alvarez did beat him.

You were right about Kovalev. I thought he was still the topped ranked guy. Instead of being The Man he was highly ranked and just one of the men hoping to be The Man at a time when no one was.. Thanks for pointing that out.

168 wasn't overly strong and while not all four belt unifications are created equal it is still a solid achievement

IMHO, even with the caveats you mention, Eubank is just not in Alvarez' realm. I do however, appreciate your point of view.

 

The question here (read the thread title) is whether Canelo is a better fight than Chris Eubank.

I don’t think it’s much of a question. Of course he is.

You’re making excuses for Eubank against pedestrian fighters (including Collins) while questioning whether Canelo won fights against much higher-caliber fighters.

Alvarez has cleaned out at least one division — super middle — while Chris didn’t even clean out his own country in the divisions where he fought, and his own country didn’t have the top guys at middle or super middle during his time.

Canelo has faced far, far better competition. You keep saying ‘but Chris this, but Chris that’ to dismiss his losses and poor performances, then trying to tear down Canelo’s opponents … who are much better than the guys Eubanks struggled with and lost to. A domestic/Euro talent in Close, a mediocre talent in Collins, a postman, etc.

Eubanks’ accomplishments pale compared to Alvarez’s. Canelo is P4P kind because he’s taken on top talent in a number of divisions and, whether you like it or not, only lost once. You can debate a couple of his fights, but we’d have to debate all of Chris’s losses (including two at the end to a guy who in his next fight got KTFO by Johnny Nelson, that noted KO machine) as well as fights he could arguably be said to have lost … and none of those people are on the level of the guys Canelo has beaten.

 

I think that, if they fought, Canelo would win.

 

Kovalev would have battered Fabrice Tiozzo.

 

Plant, who is better than most of Eubank`s world title challengers.

 

You mentioned that McCallum was a world champ at 175, but he beat Harding to win that belt, Harding was not a good fighter.

Eubank`s title challengers were crap, only good fightes he fought were Benn, Watson, Calzaghe and Collins, Plant would have boxed Wharton`s ears off, he had no jab.