the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks to @big cat williams for uploading this.

    Ernie Terrell v Doug Jones (WBA heavyweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 2: 9-8 Terrell (Terrell administered a bit of a battering for a 10-8 on my card, but lost a point for a low blow)
    Round 3: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 4: 10-9 Jones
    Round 5: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 6: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 7: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 8: 10-9 Terrell (a bit of a glitch in the film halfway through the round where it restarts the round)
    Round 9: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 10: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 11: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 12: 10-9 Terrell
    Round 13: 10-10 Even
    Round 14: 10-9 Jones (scored it Even, but Terrell docked another point for a low blow)
    Round 15: 10-9 Jones

    Total: 146-138 Terrell (actual scores: 145-140, 146-140 and 146-141 all for Terrell)

    The first 2/3 of this fight wasn't bad but that last third was woeful. It just bogged down into a mauling contest thereafter. Terrell could be very effective with the jab but I don't know what kind of fight plan the Jones corner had for Doug. He stayed on the outside where he was just pop-pop-popped all night. Maybe they did work on a plan to get inside but maybe he just couldn't execute. Who knows? In the 14th, Don Dunphy says the ref docked Terrell 2 points that round but I checked AP and UPI reports and that is not mentioned at all, so I just deducted 1 point for the round. Realistically, the ref could have DQ'd Jones for his cornerman rushing into the ring to protest the low blow, but the ref just shooed him out. Not a must-see bout, but for nostalgia I wanted to see it. Thanks again @big cat williams
     
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  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watched the first Johnny Tapia-Paulie Ayala fight today, and it was quite good. Haven't seen a ton of either fighter so high time to get to this one.

    Ayala is interesting to watch; he stays in harm's way here, covering up in his southpaw stance deflecting blows and offering head movement on the way inside. He has little power and could have been busier but he has a knack of flurrying at the right times and he's very accurate.

    Tapia too fights in flurries. But he's far more demonstrative in everything he does. It seems like every part of him is in action throwing a simple one-two. I tried not to let that sway me. For all the histrionics in the punches he throws, he too has only marginal power.

    Anyway, here we go.....

    1. Tapia
    2. Ayala
    3. Ayala
    4. Tapia
    5. Tapia
    6. Even
    7. Ayala
    8. Tapia
    9. Ayala
    10. Tapia
    11. Ayala
    12. Ayala

    Final score: 115-114 Ayala. I've read some about this decision being highly questionable. Not seeing that. Ayala came in outstanding condition, not breathing through his mouth at all between rounds, it was almost Sanchezlike. Tapia started better overall but lost the continual intensity of the early rounds in the second half, fighting in violent but more and more sporadic flurries as the bout progressed.

    Suffice it to say, I just saw Tapia getting outhustled.
     
  3. Saintpat

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    Tapia fought with his heart on his sleeve.

    RIP Johnny. I miss you.
     
  4. Saintpat

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    Roberto Duran (c) vs. Ray Leonard, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC welterweight championship on Nov. 25, 1980, at the Superdome in Louisiana.

    This is the infamous rematch.

    Duran is 72-1 and weighs 146. Leonard is 27-1 and scales the same.

    Duran made $8M to Leonard’s $7M. A crowd of 25,038 produced a $3M live gate and with closed circuit locations across the country and in Canada, plus ABC replay rights and some 60 countries carrying it live around the world, the fight generated $38M.

    Leonard was a 6-5 favorite.

    1. Leonard 10-9

    2. Leonard 10-9

    3. Duran 10-9 (close)

    4. Leonard 10-9

    5. Duran 10-9

    6. Leonard 10-9

    7. Leonard 10-9 (this is the round where he taunts Duran, payback for Duran doing the same late in their first fight)

    8. Duran quits at the 2:44 mark.

    My score: 68-65

    Official scores: 67-66, 68-66 x2 for Leonard.

    AP and UPI had it 69-65, also for Leonard.
     
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  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Koichi Wajima v Oscar Albarado I (jr. middleweight title) - 5 point must in effect

    Round 1: 5-5 Even
    Round 2: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 3: 5-5 Even
    Round 4: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 5: 5-4 Wajima
    Round 6: 5-5 Even
    Round 7: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 8: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 9: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 10: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 11: 4-4 Even (Albarado's round but loses a point for a low blow)
    Round 12: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 13: 5-5 Even
    Round 14: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 15: Albarado drops Wajima 3 times and the fight is called

    Total through 14 completed rounds: 67-62 Albarado (actual scores: 67-66 Albarado and 2 scores of 67-65 for Wajima)

    I read the report on this fight back in '74 and always went along with the story that Wajima was ahead and Albarado stopped him in the last round. Officially, this is true. But clearly what I was reading back then was a report from Japanese scribes. So don't you believe it. Early in the fight it was very competitive with Albarado's heavier blows against Wajima's sharp, jolting shots. It was looking to be a good contest. But around the 7th, Wajima began mauling and that's the way the fight stayed the remainder of the bout with Albarado pounding the champ at every turn. Just my opinion, but I thought Albarado was winning handily, but then again, I had several Even rounds as well. I will say this, those Japanese cornermen were brave. Wajima was getting pounded with 2 eyes swollen shut, bleeding from the right ear and the nose and they wouldn't stop the fight. It took 3 knockdowns before the ref finally called it off with Wajima out on the canvas for some time.
     
  6. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great to see this fight being done. Very underrated fight.
     
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  7. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I was always a big fan of the Uvalde Shotgun. Thanks for posting and bringing back good memories.
     
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  8. Jel

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    You described the fight as ‘quite good’ and I agree. This actually won The Ring’s FOTY 1999 but I’ve never rated it that highly. Very competitive, good action but not an outstanding bout in my opinion. I know others disagree, though.
     
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  9. salsanchezfan

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    It was entertaining, but no, not FOTY caliber. Tapia was quite marketable then, so that maybe factored in.
     
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  10. salsanchezfan

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    I don't remember my exact score but my general impression was the same. Albarado was cleaner in his technique (not exactly a stylist, but Wajima made him look like one).
     
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  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While watching the Albarado-Wajima fight I also saw the Albarado-Sorimachi fight was out there too and wanted to check it out. I love watching some of the Japanese filmed fights because the film quality is immaculate. Hard to believe the fight was over 45 years old because it could almost pass for a live fight. Anyways, here we go.

    Oscar Albarado v Ryu Sorimachi (jr. middleweight title) - 5 point must in effect

    Round 1: 5-4 Sorimachi
    Round 2: 5-3 Albarado (scores a knockdown)
    Round 3: 5-4 Sorimachi
    Round 4: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 5: 5-3 Albarado (scores a knockdown)
    Round 6: 5-4 Albarado
    Round 7: Albarado drops and stops Sorimachi

    Total through 6 completed rounds: 28-24 Albarado (actual scores: 28-24, 28-23 and 27-22 all for Albarado)

    I'm a rather conservative scorer, but I see the 28-23 as well because I wavered over giving Albarado a 5-3 score for the 6th. Sorimachi looked ready to go at the end of the round, but I gave him credit for putting up a spirited fight that round for a 5-4. Sorimachi had a sharp left jab, a sharp counter right and plenty of guts. He put up a scrappy contest when he could, but his chief asset was the Japanese promoters/politics that garnered him 3 title shots during his career. Man, when you look at it, 4 months earlier Sorimachi was practically white-washed by old Eddie Perkins over 10 rounds and he gets a title shot for his troubles. I have to say if Eddie was given this title fight - like he deserved - Oscar would have been an ex-champ in his first title defense. But besides all that, I enjoyed this fight.
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't think the first fight was a bad decision, the 2nd fight on the other hand. Tapia definitely won that one, that was a bad decision in my opinion.
     
  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree it was consistently a good/decent fight all the way through, but never really had a standout round or any wow moments in the fight. But what other fight in 1999 would you of had as FOTY. Quartey/Oscar ? Jefferson vs Harris ? they were just two off the top of my head.
     
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  14. Jel

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    There weren’t that many obvious candidates, to be fair. The best one I can think of from that year is Nestor Garza v Kozo Ishii.
     
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  15. salsanchezfan

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    Maybe that was the one they were talking about being a bad decision. Hard to remember.
     
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