AJ's new trainer: Angel Fernandez

Is this the "brilliant AJ" guy?

Rob Mac was getting grilled for that stuff, but the prat who was saying it stays on as coach lol.

 

Most trainers are better than McCracken who does not improve guys technically.

 

That is not what I am saying at all. I picked Fury to box his head but he really should have put him in the grave that night so superior is his boxing ability.

 

I have objected to McCracken from the beginning and his work with Froch and Howard Eastman is conclusive evidence. Lloyd Honeyghan many years ago referred disparagingly about McCracken as to what was Eastman going to learn from him. Eastman was a guy with all the natural talent in the world with a trainer lacking know how exposed at world level.

Cheer leader is what McCracken is. I have the inside track on him and his limitations. AJ is a 2 times unified heavyweight world not because of but in spite of McCracken. He is a meat and potatoes coach when there are super coaches and strategists around.

 

Indeed it is....

 

Ok.
But I asked you specifically in this case.

 

Exactly no technical improvement a guy relying on his toughness and physical strength.

 

Three-times world champ. Once more than AJ. But hey, the man who shaped Isaac Chamberlain's career might be able to do better

 

My point exactly he could have been so much better. AJ unified champion Froch was not.

 

RM worked with Froch's strengths and made them decisive. He also did the same with AJ. Joshua has regressed since Angel tried to change his style. I have little doubt if AJ circa 2017 fought the AJ who stepped into the ring with Usyk he would have knocked him out.

I guess one thing I would say in Angel's favour, is he's working with a past-prime Joshua, so the job is only going to get more difficult...

 

..Guess Martin, Ruiz or for that matter Miller passed for High elite fighters, so really the past trainers have managed to fly under the radar ...problem is AJ has to face a "Live" opponent...unless Putin's boys ruin the party...so the trainers may have to show why they are being paid...

 

Wasn't Angel Fernandez killed from a drug deal gone wrong in Miami??

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Both Angelo Dundee and Ray Arcel had amateur fight experience. Angelo had several amateur bouts when he first entered the service during World War II and even had some amateur bouts before that under his birth name Angelo Mirena. But, not only Angelo, but all of his brothers had boxing experience.

Here is a piece on Angelo in 1964 talking a little about his fight background.

“Angelo Dundee is a 41 year-old ex service boxer with thinning, black wavy hair, a slight bulging at the midriff and a ready quip to blanket a long ton of shyness. He’s a soft touch..... and a hard master. He’s got a little black book jammed with pages of outstanding debts- money he loaned to fighters who will never repay him.

More than one Angelo has borrowed money so he wouldn’t have to turn down a request for a loan.

Chris, Angelo’s older brother and Miami Beach boxing promoter, watches the one way loan service until he can’t stand it. “Angelo,” Chris will snap, “just how many 10-dollar bills do you think there are in this word? You’ve got kids, save a little for their old age”

During a fight Angelo is as different as steel and buttermilk.

Johnny Holman is remembered as a mediocre heavyweight, but under Dundee’s banner he won seven of nine, including a shocking ninth-round knockout of ex-champion Ezzard Charles. After wandering from The Dundee camp, Holman lost four of five and called it quits.

“Against Charles,” says Dundee, “Holman was ready to quit in the fifth. He had taken several good shots, and at one point even turned his back on Charles and walked away, looking for a gate. Between rounds, I really ripped into him. You want your house, don’t you,’ I screamed. (Holman was saving to buy a home.). ‘You quit, and don’t get it. Quit and you get nothing.

“When the bell rang, I threw him ... actually threw him .... into the ring. I think that pat on the back was the hardest punch of the night. But it woke him up and he won.” That was in 1955 and was a prime reason the Chicago Boxing Writers named Angelo a Trainer of the Year, an honor created especially for Dundee and never given before or since.

It was not always this good. Angelo was dirt poor from the day he was born in South Philadelphia as Angelo Mirena until he passed his majority. The family had 11 Children, and some sept four to a bed.

Before entering the service he and brother Chris changed their names to Dundee. “Where we lived,” says Chris, “If you were Jewish, your name was Leonard. Irish ... Kilbane, Italian .... Dundee. So we had our name legally changed to Dundee.

There were years of knocking around for Angelo, years in which he fought some service bouts - as a standup puncher at Miami’s Bayfront Park during World War II and years, after a stint in an aircraft factory, where he rose from clerk to inspector, he spent, that he spent patching up Chris’ fighters in New York. He slept on a cot in chris’ office and he learned from the best: Chickie Ferrara, Charley Goldman, Randy Brown, Johnny Williams, Ryan Arcel and Jimmy Wilde, all great men in the corner.
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Arcel as a youngster was a very good athlete and also had his share of amateur boxing experience.

Here is a New York Times piece in the 90’s paying respects to Arcel. It makes a small mention of his fight background.

“Arcel was born in Terre Haute, Ind., , on Aug. 30, 1899, but grew up in New York's East Harlem -- he liked to say his was the only Jewish family living there.

"Because of that, as a kid I was in a fight every day," said Arcel.

Arcel attended Stuyvesant High in Lower Manhattan -- a school requiring stiff academic entrance exams -- and often rode to the school by bike. At one point he intended to be a doctor. But he began fighting in weekend amateur bouts, and his interest shifted to boxing.”
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/08/...-handled-many-boxing-stars-is-dead-at-94.html

 

How do you know? You a camp insider yeah. He is a **** trainer, simple as.

 

Yep I have my inside knowledge. I am not just a fan. My firm view whether others like it or not is that anyone is better than meat and potatoes McCracken. Just because AJ lost to Usyk people forget he was improving when Fernandez and Jonny Clayton came on board. McCracken can remain part of AJ’s management team.