Can anyone past 1990 be reasonably put in top 5-10 AT p4p lists?

Mayweather has an argument on his skill set…maybe Pac but I don’t like the argument for him top 5. The only guy I would is Mayweather and I think he belongs there based on his dominance of solid opposition. Meaning his ability to hit and not be hit is better then anyone who ever lived (except maybe Pep but we don’t have enough fights or stats to see his results). I know people don’t like hearing that but whatever.

 

I don’t like hearing BS. He was hit plenty v Maidana twice, Castillo, Cotto, an ancient De La Hoya and even journeymen like Augustus, even a 0-0-0 guy in McGregor landed 120 blows in nine rounds, and that’s against a Floyd who rarely let his hands go.

 

Not to mention Judah out boxing and dropping him, an ancient Mosley rocking him badly etc etc

 

Check back in when a boxer goes undefeated without suffering an official knockdown over 15 years and through multiple divisons.

 

Grow up, he lost clearly many times without fighting the best, down clearly (Judah) and holding on for dear life (Mosley) or saved by bell (Maidana).

 

Fighting once a year…

 

Handpicking!

Hardly Henry Armstrong stuff is it…

 

Nobody who straight up lost to both Pat Lawlor and Kirkland Laing deserves to be anywhere near this list.

Sorry.

 

You said "clearly" a bunch of times in substitution for actually making any valid points.

The reality of the situation is that you, as a grown adult, took Mayweather's wrestling heel public persona at face value and helped line Mayweather's pockets by never missing a fight.

 

Stats don’t lie. He was hit less then any other individual boxer since compubox creation. Wether you want to admit it or not. It’s boxing, people get punched and hurt. The fact that you have to mention nonsense like that to try and prove a point proves how weak your argument is.

 

Last time I made a top ten list, it went...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Roberto Duran
6. Hank Armstrong
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Willie Pep
9. Joe Louis
10. Ezzard Charles


11. Roy Jones Junior

If I had to make an argument for post 1990, fighters to be included, the strongest cases would be for RJJ, Floyd, Pac and Pea.

I'm not sure who I would bump.

 

That guy could have retired in 1980 and belonged on this list.

 

I wouldn't have Holyfield, Marquez or de la Hoya in it. But the second is probably top 80, like Hopkins, Lewis and Freitas in my view.

Casamayor can be mentioned too, as he could be around 50.

 

Wrong.

His best opponent at welterweight also beat him (in humiliating fashion) and his best opponent at lightweight was either DeJesus (who also floored and beat Duran) or Buchanan (who Duran defeated on a low blow).

And his record from 1980 on was downright mediocre (31-15).

I watched Duran live from 1979 until 2001 - 22 years - and during that time I never once looked at him and thought he was one of the best I ever saw.

People said, 'You have to watch him when he was a lightweight, so, in the 1990s, I started collecting vhs tapes of Duran's fights at lightweight, and what I saw there didn't offset what I was watching in "real time."

There have been a lot of excellent fighters over the last 32 years (1990 on) who never entered the ring looking like complete garbage like Duran often did, and who never quit, let alone quit multiple times like Duran did.

Two-thirds of Duran's career was bad. Two thirds. More than 20 years of it.

You don't get to basically suck for 20 years in the ring and make it to the top of the best who ever lived list.

 

Of course.