Carlos Monzon Vs Hearns - Is This The Worst, Fight At Middle For Tommy?

Try not to make a fool of yourself in this Monzon related thread. You don't want it to become a trend.

 

Is the best you have Clown?, you are the fool, You follow the Flock. Ha Ha.

 

It's a reach based on emotion.

In reality Hearns has the right style and certainly the tools to beat Monzon.

 

Except for the chin and stamina, All losses by knockout for Hearns, THUD, Ha Ha.

 

While i don't think he would win he'd most certainly, IMO, be a very rough out.

 

Hearns has the disadvantages to lose to him even more so ( no legs, low stamina, hand problems , terrible Ring IQ ),, which people do not acknowledge at all especially at 160 which he already proved , .. he does have a good style for monzon
He needs to fight this fight on the outside and outside only ,, boring , sit back pick his shots ... If not he no chance in hell ,, and you know Hearns .. ditch the game plan and try and Knock you out ,, he even did it with Sutherland , , and he ended up cut over both eyes and folded his right early .. Big strong middles for the most part ( Barkley , Hagler, Sutherland) took whatever Tommy had to give ,, and it was Hearns who ended up on the short end of the stick , and it would be the same with Monzon
Hearns was a rough out with Barkley and Hagler as well, ,wanted to slug it out ,, give one take one ...but he was a fast out

 

let's not forget Tony Licata

I see him as one of the weakest middleweight contenders I've ever seen. Yet he went 10 with Monzon

It's too bad Monzon came along the time he did. we'll never really know how to evaluate him against the gold standard of middleweights of the late 70s - mid 1980s

Regardless of how I feel about his chances against Tommy, I have Monzon ranked #3 behind Hagler, Greb. but ahead of Robinson & Roy Jones

 

You underestimate Tommy's left to the ribs. This could CRIPPLE Monzon, causing him to drop his guard and then drop the bomb on him

This may well be very much like the Shuler fight. A fight in which two fights of equal height, in which we immediately noticed the vast difference in hand speed.

Tommy dug that left to the ribs. This is another weapon in which Tommy would unload on the unsuspecting Monzon

Tommy slips them in so quick that I dont think Carlos would be able to do anything about it. Eventually, this would paralyze Monzon and would drop his guard. and even though he survived a right hand from Briscoe, Tommy's right hand is much faster and sharper

 

RR it is almost impossible to have a conversation with you ... a boxer who was never stopped, had a motor that wouldn't quit, was a big strong middle with a chin !!! ... all of a sudden has this Problem with a boxer ( Hearns) at his 4th best weight ?? move along

WAIT !!!! Norris UD Leonard ... WOOOOT WOOOOT

 

Hearn's was dominating Barkley but Barkley kept coming and coming through all that fusillade and eventually landed a bomb. Hagler made it a brawl right from the get go as he knew it was his best chance and they had some genuine feelings going on.

A match vs Monzon would be more laid back for sure, certainly in the early going. Hearn's would be looking to outbox him and find a home for the right hand. Different fighters.

 

I know its different fighters ,, but your missing my point ,, Barkley hagler different fighters ? yes ? doesnt matter ditch game plan go for KO its irrelevant if you dont keep the ring IQ, which he didnt have

 

I completely disagree Hearn's had no ring IQ. It gets bandied about but doesn't stand up for mine.

Ring IQ got him back into the SRL fight when he'd been in quite a bit of trouble. He went from stalker to consummate boxer in the blink of an eye and started piling up the rounds as we saw a very notable role reversal. Brilliant.

Ring IQ wasn't what lost him the fight against Barkley. It was Barkley's ability to absorb bombs and keep moving forward when he had the opportunites to until he got a big swing home. You can see him closing the distance and sliding the pressure on at various points when he was able to. Hearns got caught with a right hand as Barkley come forward.

Hearns had try and fight him off on various occasions as he was never a naturally gifted lateral mover like a Sugar Ray Leonard. His legs were not in the same class partly because he was so tall and lanky as well. He just couldn't change direction as smoothly. It's all there on film. This meant he couldn't just come out and win fights against big aggressive middleweights by just gliding around the ring popping jabs and having his own way. He had to fight them off at various times.

The same was true when he fought Roldan, a big strong brawler. He simply couldn't evade him as a Roy Jones or SRL would have done so he had to fight him off at various points. It wasn't poor ring IQ it was necessity. As it turned out Roldan couldn't take what Tommy gave back. Hagler instigated a brawl, heaped the pressure on instantly and kept it on even in the face of some big right hands. Sure some will opine Hearn's willingly obliged but as I've pointed out it's not exactly likely he would have been able to cruise around the perimeter for 12 rounds undeterred anyway. He tried at some point.

Let it also be said that Hearn's legs were never the same post Hagler and that fight took something out of both of them. Popping up and down in weight may not have helped them either. At any rate he left his greatest behind in that memorable battle as did Hagler. After that he certainly had trouble with big strong brawlers. In his young days he could get in and out incredibly quickly on the attack as we saw against Cuevas who didn't know where he was coming from or going to. These were smaller guys who were overwhelmed by his offense tho. He also held off SRL for round after round until late but these are smaller guys against a younger Hearn's.

The above is proven by looking at his battles against Benitez and Hill. His legs were at their best vs Wilfred but he rarely had to use them much as he put on an absolute "Ring IQ" clinic against a fellow master boxer that could not pressure him. Apart from one brief moment he stayed in mode and won the fight going away against a fellow ATG. By the time he fought Hill his legs were well and truly gone but Hill couldn't pressure him and Hearns, a big underdog, comfortably outboxed him while never having to dig deep at all.

It's more about styles and intangibles than Ring IQ. Hearn's not being able to resist a brawl is a bit of a myth.

Ring IQ didn't make him lose to SRL, Hagler or Barkley. Ring IQ also didn't cause him the trouble against Roldan.

 

why you keep calling me Redrooster?

The real Redrooster was killed in a 2019 bar fight. I researched it

I'd favor Monzon over 15 but the laws of probability strongly suggest that Tommy will get to him early before Monzon can get to Tommy over the late rounds 12, 13, 14, 15

I'm talking PEAK TH, not the so so versions of the Dewitt fight on

TH will unload combos too fast for the eye to follow, having the much slower Monzon covering up. Tommy then digs to the ribs to bring his guard down - BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! over and over

Tommy not only has the edge in reach, but significant edge in speed and power. that's why I said that Tommy will get to him before Monzon can get to him

The faster, sharper boxer usually wins and Monzon has NO inside game

It is Monzon, not Hitman, who is at a disadvantage here

 

No chin Tommy. He bites the dust again as always.

 

How silly, those two fighters (Monzon and Hearns) realistically are never going to fight, Lol.