Carlos Monzon Vs Hearns - Is This The Worst, Fight At Middle For Tommy?

I never said Hearns didnt have ring IQ in his entire career .. im talking 160 what this thread is about ,, but you are simply making Tommy into this great MW that he just wasnt . .. And given his performances at that weight and all his disadvantages there .. It doesn't add up to a win over Monzon ,, in any way shape or form .. You seem not to see that Hearns was his own worst enemy ,, and in the Barkley fight ( who by the way went 1-4 in his MW titles , beating only hearns ) and in the Hagler fight and in the Sutherland fight he was hurt . he got sparked twice and folded his right in another .. so you can say well this should have happened or whatever ,, but the fact of the matter is AT 160, tommy didn't have his legs , or stamina, HAND problems ( in and out of casts ) and YES terrible ring IQ ,, And big strong middles took his power ,, so you want to ignore his weaknesses that did him in

Hearns was his worst enemy on many occasions that I have already mentioned ,, we saw 2 different fighters i guess

and you notice I didnt even discuss the chin ,, because he had far more problems than that mentioned above at that weight .. and when you peel back the onion there at that weight thats what it gives you imo . .2 times sparked early , and hurt bad in another ,, also good performances as well ... but the fight at 160 was the hagler fight ,, and we know what happened , no legs , and he took the power no problemo and so would Monzon imo .. hagler wasnt stopped in 65 fights , and Monzon not stopped in 98 fights ,, sorry it just doesnt add up to a Hearns KO .... and it is for DAMN SURE he doesn't have the legs or the gas to go 15 with Monzon and its not even up for debate !!

 

They are just posting stuff that is sure nonsense, maybe we are the Monzon Mafia, and proud of it. It is sure better than the Chinless Hearns Bunch, Lol, He keeps hitting the canvas when hit, Timber. Monzon is not Cuevas, Lol.

 

I love Hearns hes my favorite fighter ,, but lets not make him into this great MW ,, he just wasn't

 

I'm not making Hearns into into "this great MW" at all i am simply giving a rundown on his intangibles at 160. Where am i making Hearn's into this "great" middleweight? As for it adding up to a win over Monzon? Well i actually picked Monzon so i have no idea what all that is about.

It's as if it's a sin to suggest Hearn's and what he brings to the table could give Monzon trouble for a bit and some seem to take it as a slap in the face. Ridiculous really. Briscoe had Monzon in serious trouble (certainly more than Valdez) prior to his title reign so it's not as if he can't possibly be hurt.

I've done my best explaining his Ring IQ but you still consider it terrible so i won't waste any time on that particular part of things. He only lost three fights near his prime and none of the losses were truly caused by lack of Ring IQ as i went into at length.

Some big strong middles took his power and some didn't. Roldan certainly didn't. His KO of Roldan is actually a fantastic display of power against a big strong durable middleweight. Schuler was a good middle that was left without his senses. Guys at light heavyweight were stopped and dropped multiple times. Hearn's most certainly didn't lose all his power at 160 and suddenly regain it at 175 for the record.

We did see two different fighters. For me it wasn't his Ring IQ that lost him battles it was the intangibles i went in depth about.

Feel free to talk chin. He took loads of heavy punches off Hagler before succumbing and Hagler would have hit as hard as Monzon you'd think. I'm not envisioning the already fading Hearn's of the Roldan/Barkley bouts here.

 

God you are immature Richard. You throw labels at everyone else yet the crap you post mate. Really.

 

I think this is a fair post and i do agree with a lot of it ..... nice chatting with you JT ,, cheers mate

 

You too surf, really enjoy it and you make me think as well. I always take on board your opinions and thoughts mate.

 

Seriously?

 

All due respect Richard. I don't like what you said about JT1 posting nonsense, as he's by far one of the best posters on this forum, undoubtedly top 5 (for my money he's number 1). That kind of disrespect is absolutely not warranted. You can disagree with his posts, without dismissing it as non-sense.

 

I haven't been on this forum that long, but the last Monzon thread I was in it turned sour, and it looks like this one has aswell.

I'm not blaming anyone or picking sides, but I tend not to join in discussions about Monzon anymore for that paticular reason.

 

And that's no way to feel. I encourage you to join in, participate and most of all enjoy - it's only a forum mate. Someone will have your back at any rate if you are lambasted unfairly- there's loads of great guys here.

 

Apparently, he was always shooting his mouth off in public which didnt go off well

Word is, someone came up to him and told him "my friends and I don't like the sounds and smells coming out of you"

Rooster got offended and a fight ensued.

And although Red held his own at first, backup came and was eventually overpowered

 

I dont think of Tommy as a great middleweight

I think Monzon is a great middleweight

But in this particular matchup, Hearns has the advantages in reach AND speed, AND power

and easily matches him in height

As JT pointed out, Monzon was caught by Briscoe. We all saw it and I noticed that he lost control of himself, all the while looking up at the clock

No doubt, he was in trouble

and while Briscoe's punch could be compared with a wrecking ball, Tommy's right hand is more like a sudden jolt

and great chin or not, if Tommy catches him with his lightning right hand, he is going to lose control of his legs whether he wants to or not

and while Tommy's chin and stamina were suspect in later fights, this wasnt the case before his decline

add to that, Monzon was not a big puncher but more of a strong steady offense. If he makes it to the late rounds undamaged (highly doubtful), with a badly tiring Hitman susceptible to a late rounds rally, it might be enough to overcome a points deficit

 

Richard, nobody likes the guy who finishes his career as a winner,,,who beat them all. Too successful,..too cold and distant...he should have been a mouthy, flashy shuck and jiver...indulging in staredowns, cheap publicity stunts and other acts of buffoonery.

 

You realize he was active in 2020 right? Kinda hard to do that when you're dead.