Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Floyd had to fight Baldomir. Floyd was not a natural welterweight and was relatively new to the weightclass. He gave away a massive amount of weight in day before era. Lampkin would’ve been less of a challenge to Floyd and Baldomir would beat Lampkin. This is not a pfp comparison of Baldomir and Lampkin. The size disadvantage would exist for Lampkin like it did for Floyd.

    The only thing Mamby did in 76 before fighting Duran was get a draw with an unknown and unranked Weston. I doubt that put him in the top ten and I’m gonna need more proof.

    Canelo beat Trout with open scoring so forgive him for not going for the ko. Lara was a damn good fighter, still is, and Canelo beat him.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Manny was denied a pre-fight pain killing injection for his shoulder.


    Again, Floyd didn’t require a 750ml IV for severe dehydration.

    Again, that would have been classed as a medical emergency requiring admittance to a hospital.


    He was given a retroactive TUE, yet the NSAC wasn’t even aware of it until almost a month after the fight.


    Stop being stupid trying to insult our intelligence.

    Get your head out of the clouds.


    Floyd used a masking agent and was extremely lucky to have gotten away with it.

    Hauser’s report made a complete mockery of USADA, who basically work for the fighters.


    There’s a reason why Floyd wouldn’t use VADA.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I give you permission to erase the Pacquiao fight from Floyd’s resume and what you’ll be left with is that Floyd still fills all of the columns except Ls ahead of Duran.

    Now take ten seconds and see if you can name a single championship fighter who was DQ’d for an IV. Otherwise, it shows your silly agenda.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How so, genius?


    A 5’7 guy with a tiny 66” reach, who was dwarfed, vs a huge, prime, confident Barkley coming in off of the back of a knockout of Hearns?

    Compared to:

    Floyd, who had a reach advantage, vs a pre-prime, naive version of Canelo who wouldn’t press/pressure him?


    You can’t see that the win over Barkley was better?

    Really?


    Although I am debating a guy who sees Floyd’s win over Canelo as being similar to Duran’s win over Leonard.

    Ha!


    You’re too much.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What has Hauser written on it?

    Tbf, I do think Manny was on something as well, but wasn't as good as Floyd at concealing them when Floyd demanded stricter testing when the fight was first negotiated in 2010, but this fairly apparent corruption with the TUE for an IV that only had one purpose rubs me the wrong way.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Possibly.


    The difference is:

    Duran would have fought all of Floyd’s opponents, whereas Floyd wouldn’t have fought all of Duran’s.


    That must be obvious even to you.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...-trust-usada&usg=AOvVaw24lK662eaZWR2o36Oje9BB
     
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  8. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd wasnt even built for 119 fights .. Hell he wasn't even built for 70 fights and couldn't even come close to keeping up with Activity of Pac. Again context .. Activity and competition ,,,
     
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  9. Loudon

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    A 750ml mix of saline is a known masking agent.

    Floyd could not have been dehydrated to the point of needing an IV of that magnitude.


    Either stop talking about it or do some research.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Prevent dehydration". What an absolute joke. We're talking 3-4 lbs. That's a big meal and some glasses of water. Most of us here will have regained as much after a good run or hike. I've done 30 kilometres hiking a day in 30 degrees celsius and at no point have I needed a god damn IV for chrissakes. Some food and water and you're good.
     
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  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don’t want to erase Floyd’s win over Manny. But you are sweeping it under the carpet, before then questioning Duran’s low blow on Buchanan.


    I haven’t got an agenda.

    I’m just informing you of the facts.

    After years of dodging Manny and accusing him of being on PEDS, it was Floyd who was guilty of taking them.


    It’s not about being DQ’d for an IV.

    The IVs of that magnitude are specifically banned as they are/were known to be a masking agent for PEDS.


    Again, there wasn’t a legitimate reason for Floyd needing one.

    Again, it purposely wasn’t reported to the NSAC.


    We know what happened.

    We don’t need to hire Colombo.
     
  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I do not know much about these fights, but what is the reason that you believe Manny was also cheating?
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We know what happened.

    He was very lucky.

    What choice was the NSAC left with?


    1. To open up a full blown PROPER investigation.

    2. Let it go.


    Think of the implications for the fight capital of the world as well as the rest of the sport.


    USADA basically let Floyd do what he wanted.

    You’ve read the report.


    No in-depth analysis given, only a brief summary.

    Only one sample tested.

    Hardly anyone caught.


    A complete waste of time.
     
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  14. cross_trainer

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    "Ah, Mr. Mayweather, just one more thing. It's the IV. Yes, sir, the IV. There's something about the IV that's been bothering me..."
     
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  15. Loudon

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    Ha!

    I’d have loved to have seen that.
     
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