The Dmitry Bivol Bandwagon

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed, Bivol is a very tough task for Canelo.
    There hasn't been a catchweight since 2017 when he fought Chavez Jr, and there hasn't been a rehydration clause since he fired De La Hoya. One could conclude that this points to those demands were coming from DLH, and once he left those stopped. DLH may have done that because of what what Pacquiao did to him, draining him down a weight class. DLH probably felt that he was helping Canelo by fighting for him at the negotiating table, but Canelo never needed none of that jazz. Since he's been on his own, he's fought everybody straight up no weight demands, which is to be commended. I think we can safely blame all of the weight demands on DLH and past opponents like Mayweather, Cotto, and Khan who insisted on catchweights.
    It should be a great match, I can't wait!
     
  2. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Again with this nonsense?

    A-side Oscar called Pac out for a welterweight fight...

    Was Pac supposed to jump THREE weight classes to fight at 154 after having 1 fight at 135?
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That would have been a big jump, but looking back on that, we can only conclude that it was a miscalculation for Oscar to agree with that. From Oscar's perspective, do you think he was bitter about being so weight drained against Pacquiao? That combined with being helpless to stop Mayweather from draining Canelo to 152, don't you think these incidents would have contributed to him making weight demands for Canelo as his promoter from thereon? Ever since Canelo fired his ass, the weight games stopped, so we can only conclude that those weight demands were coming from DLH.
     
  4. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Oscar thought he could make 147 and mismanaged his weight, but I also feel like he thought he would be able to power through Pac. Remember, all the lightweights are bigger than Pac with the exception of Lomachenko.

    But Pac didn't overwhelm Oscar with power. He did it with speed, angles, and footwork, and basically put a boxing clinic on him. The result is the same at 140, 147, and 154 at any point of their careers, imo.

    Oscar is a little lead-footed and Pac is just a stylistic nightmare for him.
     
  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    SRL was boxing's cash cow. Are you actually unaware?? I know you were negative 10yo when they fought, but good grief.. you've actually made his point even stronger.
     
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  6. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You think it was Oscar's choice to fight at 155 for a couple years??? canelo had no say in it??? :lol: Yeah, what you conclude id usually what you want desperately to believe. :rolleyes:
     
  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One example of him fading late, and that's the norm now???
     
  8. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    JAB HIS NUT IN
     
  9. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not only one example, he won his last 6 fights by decision, he can't KO his opponents because he fades in second halves.
     
  10. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Outlier ", definetly applies to you ....
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well what do you believe? What is more likely, Canelo himself insisting on weight demands or DLH?

    When Canelo was stripped of the IBF, it was reported that DLH and his team were handling the negotiation, and that Canelo was shocked at the news that he was being stripped and he publicly condemned his team for not reaching an an agreement to fight Derevyanchenko. If Canelo was leaving his team to negotiate the contract in that instance, then why would that be any different in any of his other fights where there were weight stipulations?

    His reaction to being stripped of the IBF isn't consistent with him calling the shots and being involved in the contract negotiations where there were weight stipulations.
     
  12. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fight wasn't close, but in my opinion Richards won the last 4 rounds, which is more than enough for Canelo to nick a KO win.
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you have an issue with the post you quoted me on about perception? If so, what about that do you take exception with?
     
  14. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So he fights TO THE DISTANCE, but fades because he doesn't KO them?? That actually doesn't make sense. If he's making it 12 and wining...well, he clearly isn't fading in the manner you think. Boxing is NOT about KO wins....o_O
     
  15. jmb1356

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    First fight in 4 years I've thought Canelo could actually lose.
     
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